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‘Secret’ ATF move could turn 3M to 4M gun owners into felons
www.washingtonexaminer.com ^ | October 09, 2020 08:49 AM | by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist

Posted on 10/09/2020 8:21:41 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: TexasGurl24

Wrong, but Trump is wrong here.


41 posted on 10/09/2020 10:36:19 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1, Today's Special: Half Baked, 50c)
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To: Ancesthntr
I expect that this is a way for TPTB at ATF to ingratiate themselves with the (hoped for, in their eyes) incoming Biden Administration. If (as I expect) Trump wins, this will go away pretty quickly.

Seems very likely.

LLC Honey Badger


42 posted on 10/09/2020 10:40:15 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Joe Biden: Barack Obama minus the pretty talk.)
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To: Red Badger

Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional Art. 1, Sect. 9


43 posted on 10/09/2020 10:57:54 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (That`s 464 people per square foot! Is this corrrect?? It's NYC.)
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To: TexasGurl24
Exactly my point!

Why do you keep saying "No"?

You and I agree that the headline is wrong.

44 posted on 10/09/2020 11:10:01 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: mylife

Trump didn’t write this policy. A Barry holdover at the ATF wrote the policy. You can stamp your feet and shill for Biden or baby killer Jorgeson all that you want, but you aren’t entitled to your own set of facts.


45 posted on 10/09/2020 11:16:42 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: Yo-Yo

Repeal the whole NFA.
At the cost of ammo these days, who could afford to feed an MG or SMG anyway?


46 posted on 10/09/2020 11:26:26 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security! (Ironic, huh?))
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To: Little Ray
At the cost of ammo these days, who could afford to feed an MG or SMG anyway?

These days, the same people that can afford $25,000 for an M16A1.

47 posted on 10/09/2020 11:29:49 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Red Badger

bttt


48 posted on 10/09/2020 11:31:12 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Red Badger

I am of the opinion that there is a larger legal / constitutional question(s) here.

Can Congress delegate law making authority when it comes to constitutionally protected rights? By example, can congress delegate to the FCC the right to regulate cameras, and then the FCC restrict digital cameras from cell phones?

Can an Administrative ruling change the law?

Can that change happen without Congressional oversight?

If such a change happens, does it only apply to future? No ex-post facto?

Can a tax be collected on a sale of property after the fact?

Can a tax be collected on a Constitutional right and thus prevent the free exercise thereof? By example, can the Government tax sales of the Quran or the Bible? If you cant collect a tax on those items, then I submit for consideration that using a tax to limit ownership of machine guns or silencers is just as abhorent to the Constitution. At the very least, requires splitting some mighty fine hairs to allow one and not the other.

If the government requires citizens to dispose of previously legal property, isnt that a “seziure” and requires the payment of compensation at fair market value?


49 posted on 10/09/2020 11:32:55 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Red Badger

This, under Trump, where his branch and department heads are beginning to behave as if he’s already been defeated.

Just imagine our 2A laws under President Kamala.


50 posted on 10/09/2020 1:49:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TexasGurl24; All
Trump didn’t write this. Bathhouse Barry holdouts in the ATF.

Exactly. Word is many in the ATF are saying/implying is: just wait him out. Once the election is over, we will not have to worry about following DOJ guidelines, because with President Biden, there will be a new AG.

51 posted on 10/09/2020 4:12:57 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Openurmind; All
They cannot go retroactive with a law like this against those that have already been sold legally.

Ca started this ex post facto tactic in violation of the constitution and they were allowed to do it so now everyone is following suit.

That is the common-sense understanding of Ex Post Facto.

The courts have rules something different. It goes like this:

You cannot be fined or imprisoned for having x before this date, because that would be Ex Post Facto.

Now that the law is changed, you can be fined for having x after this date, because the law has changed.

You are not being fined for having it then; you are being fined for having it now.

It used to be common sense, that if you owned it legally, and the government made it illegal, at minimum, they had to reimburse you for it.

Not any more.

52 posted on 10/09/2020 4:19:22 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Red Badger

Great mistake by the Obamaroid hold overs. This gives Trump the golden opportunity to executive order this usurpation right into the shyte hole where it and the obamaroids belong. It would fire up the base like nothing else can!


53 posted on 10/09/2020 4:22:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: TexasGurl24

Try putting your arm into that badger ‘brace’. It is not an arm brace it is a retractable stock with a fake rubber wrap.


54 posted on 10/09/2020 4:33:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Little Ray
Repeal the whole NFA.

Start small. Repeal 18 USC 922 (o) first...then Chapter 4 of the GCA, then both the NFA and GCA.

55 posted on 10/10/2020 6:03:15 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (COMDEMS would rather rule over a pile of ashes, than lose to Trump and REAL Americans)
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To: Red Badger

The problem is in the swamp and with the lying Paul Bedard, who wants to see Biden elected.


56 posted on 10/10/2020 9:07:29 PM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: Red Badger

I very briefly thought about getting an AR pistol a few years ago and realized that it didn’t make any sense. Too little velocity from such a short barrel for good terminal ballistics.


57 posted on 10/10/2020 9:21:27 PM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: familyop

8-10 inch barrel in 300 Blackout is where you need to look. Even the 220 gr ammo out of the 9-10 inch barrels is ‘terminal’. Bullet development has come a long way. Even my 32 acp carry Beretta is deadly with the right bullets.


58 posted on 10/10/2020 9:25:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: mylife
"Trump has pissed me off with several unconstitutional gun orders."

You'll really like Biden/Harris then, especially if Democrats get a Senate majority.

Possession of any weapon or ammunition will be illegal in a matter of weeks. The frequent confiscation raids in every community will happen before dawn, and the local media companies will be ready with slander campaigns to villanize the arrestees.

And with a stacked Supreme Court, they won't care about the unconstitutional nature of such laws.

59 posted on 10/10/2020 9:36:14 PM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: MHGinTN

I hadn’t thought about 300 Blackout. ...years with M-16s in service followed by living in an area with extreme visibility.

Makes sense. Thanks!


60 posted on 10/10/2020 9:42:51 PM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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