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1619 Project founder says US ‘not an exceptional nation,’ Founding Fathers ‘did not believe in democracy’
Fox News ^ | September 10 2020 | Bradford Betz

Posted on 09/10/2020 11:08:16 PM PDT by knighthawk

New York Times Magazine reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones on Monday denounced the idea of America being an “exceptional nation” and argued that the country’s founders “did not believe in democracy.”

Hannah-Jones, who won the Pulitzer Prize for the “1619 Project” made the comments during a talk for Mount Holyoke College’s Common Read Keynote event.

Vice President for Equity and Inclusion and Chief Diversity Officer Kijua Sanders-McMurtry, who interviewed Hannah-Jones, said that the 1619 Project is unfairly portrayed as being “anti-American.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1619project; bidenvoters; commie; nikolehannahjones; nytimes; republicnotdemocracy
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1 posted on 09/10/2020 11:08:16 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk

Vice President for Equity and Inclusion and Chief Diversity Officer Kijua Sanders-McMurtry,

When reality tops parody you know there is a big problem.


2 posted on 09/10/2020 11:11:44 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: knighthawk

The simpleton is correct. They most certainly did believe in “democracy”. They thought it was a nightmare.


3 posted on 09/10/2020 11:12:29 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Damn voice to text. Did not... the founders wanted to avoid democracy like the plague.

The founders also hated voice to text.


4 posted on 09/10/2020 11:13:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino
Some one needs to que Rush on that fact and the female on the Hannity show, Rush isn't as floridly ignorant of history as Beck is put he constantly repeats interpretations that are just flat incorrect.
5 posted on 09/10/2020 11:20:15 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: knighthawk

Okay, I’m slow...I didn’t hear all of Rush, but I’m pretty sure he usually knows what he is talking about..

I’m not only slow, I don’t want to read that article... but we are a Republic... not a democracy... from there.. will you who have added please explain what you are commenting? please....


6 posted on 09/10/2020 11:25:01 PM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: knighthawk
“I might have exhibited as many millions of plebeians sacrificed by the pride, folly, and ambition of their fellow-plebeians and their own, in proportion to the extent and duration of their power. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation.” --- John Adams

The founders hated the very idea of a democracy.

7 posted on 09/10/2020 11:31:47 PM PDT by SanchoP
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To: knighthawk

“Founding Fathers ‘did not believe in democracy;”

Good thing!! They were truly wise men.


8 posted on 09/10/2020 11:35:33 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you.)
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She is a crazy wacko commie.


9 posted on 09/10/2020 11:35:34 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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So she did get one thing right: the Founders did not believe in democracy. That’s why they established a federal republic that guaranteed that each state would have a republican form of government. It never was supposed to be a democracy, though of course the legislature and the executive were elected democratically.


10 posted on 09/10/2020 11:35:41 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: aquila48

It ain’t a democracy, it is a republic which is a representative style government, not a democracy which is mob rule.


11 posted on 09/10/2020 11:37:04 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: knighthawk

In support of all of the comments here denegrating democracy, here is a quote from one of our founding fathers explaining the matter: Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. ~ John Adams


12 posted on 09/10/2020 11:43:15 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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That’s right. The Founders knew that mob rule (democracy) was a terrible thing. That’s why they gave us a constitutional republic and free speech. It protects even the stupid


13 posted on 09/10/2020 11:44:52 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: yldstrk

“It ain’t a democracy, it is a republic which is a representative style government, not a democracy which is mob rule.”

It’s much more than just a representative republic.

A representative republic is little more than a democracy. The majority elects the representatives and the representatives can pass with a simple majority any law they want, so it’s mob rule once removed.

The real distinguishing and exceptional part of this country is that it is a CONSTITUTIONAL Republic.

It is the constitution that puts certain “rights” beyond the control of simple majority rule, be it representative or otherwise.

No word in the constitution can be changed by a simple majority vote, you need to go through a very arduous process at several levels with super majority to change any of it - the amendment process.

That puts all the bill of rights - free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, right to bear arms, and so on - outside the control of majority rule.

If we were just a republic without a constitution I doubt very any of those “rights” would still exist. Even with the constitution they’re still under attack!


14 posted on 09/10/2020 11:56:53 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you.)
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...and to the republic for which it (the National Ensign) stands...


15 posted on 09/11/2020 12:02:16 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too mant Fay fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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The founding fathers did not believe in mob rule and to this day it screws up the socialists and communists plans to take over our nation.

This guy is right on one hand and can go straight to hell ASAP.


16 posted on 09/11/2020 12:21:57 AM PDT by oldenuff35
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To: knighthawk

They didn’t create a democracy, they created a republic.


17 posted on 09/11/2020 12:24:42 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: reg45

Per Plato, Ciceri, Badtiat, Locke et el...


18 posted on 09/11/2020 12:55:37 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: SanchoP

The founder of this project said the founders did not “believe in democracy” but the costernation lies within that statement. THe founders believed in democracy but they also believed that democracy was not the right form of government at the Federal level. John Adams is speaking to the Federal level form of government and it must be made that distinction to understand the context in which the Federalist Papers are written. Although the Federalist Papers do speak towards local levels of government the main theme is the Federal level of government. They, the Founders, believed in democracy but preferred the Federal level of this United States to be republic. As such Adams is giving reasons to why this nation’s government was chosen to be a republic. Not all the Founders agreed and not all of the Founders hated democracy as a form of government as the state level and local level governments are in a fashion a democracy form of government.

People have the idea that everyone votes and that is the very epitome of a democracy. They disregard what they are actually voting for. In addition, democracy is interspersed throughout United States history and even more recently the United States has stated as an official position that when it goes into other countries that it promotes democracy not a democratic republic. The United States is a combination of both democracy and a republic hence the United States is actually and technically a democratic republic. Not just a republic which would imply representation at all levels of government.


19 posted on 09/11/2020 1:23:09 AM PDT by zaxtres
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To: knighthawk

Re the Chief Diversity officer. Did she/he/it appropriate three ethnic/racial names to show that they are “diverse” in who they are?

Kijua? I “kid” “you” not. A cousin to Kunte Kinte?

Sanders - oh so British. McMurtry - oh so Scottish or Irish.

This person in a walking United Nations of diversity correctness and bullshit.

Guess they couldn’t get a real job a McDonald’s.


20 posted on 09/11/2020 1:36:27 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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