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White House, Trump campaign: Kamala Harris is eligible to serve as VP
The Washington Times ^ | AUGUST 16, 2020 | DAVID SHERFINSKI

Posted on 08/16/2020 12:36:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: mlo
That's a sentence out of context. It's not defining "natural born citizen".

Of course it is. And I'll take it even more out of context:

>>...according to the court...<<

That means every member of the court believed that:

>> "it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners." << It was a unanimous decision.

It's saying there's group A that everyone agrees is a natural born citizen. It goes on to say there's group B where some doubt has been expressed

Yes, in other words...."the court" endorses "group A"....Unanimously!

(The court ain't buying "group B")

That case does not say a natural born citizen requires citizen parents. It doesn't define natural born citizen at all.

Of course it does:

>> "it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens

Wong Kim Ark does:

hmmmmmm....

every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject

(except this ain't England, and we ain't "subjects")

141 posted on 08/17/2020 2:23:31 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Unlike Jeffery Epstein, George Floyd DID kill himself.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Another “dead letter”.


142 posted on 08/17/2020 4:57:02 PM PDT by nonsporting (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.)
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To: nesnah
"What is your understanding of that reason?"

By requiring a natural born citizen they were disqualifying anyone that immigrated to the country and gained citizenship after birth. The fear was that a European prince could come to America, get elected President, and make himself a king.

Naturalized citizens are disqualified from being President. That was the intent and effect of "natural born citizen".

143 posted on 08/17/2020 10:48:58 PM PDT by mlo
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"That means every member of the court believed that:"

Uh no. That's silly.

"(The court ain't buying "group B")"

Wrong. The court is not deciding group B.

"Of course it does:"

Nope. It only declared that group A, which nobody disagrees about, were clearly natural born citizens. It did not restrict the definition to that group.

"(except this ain't England, and we ain't "subjects")"

Which is why they changed "subject" to "citizen". duh.

But they otherwise kept the phrase because it carried the meaning they intended. As Wong Kim Ark explains in detail.

144 posted on 08/17/2020 10:53:39 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

Good reply.

Now, analyze this: “By requiring a natural born citizen they were disqualifying anyone that immigrated to the country and gained citizenship after birth. “

Kamala Harris’s parents were both here on student VISAs when she was born. Student VISAs are given to FOREIGN students wishing to study here, and stay temporarily.

Do you think the Founders would have been OK with that?


145 posted on 08/18/2020 3:32:43 AM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: mlo
But they otherwise kept the phrase because it carried the meaning they intended.

every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject

Which means literally that they wished the US to be forever governed by enemy agents.

Those evil bastards!

146 posted on 08/18/2020 4:57:19 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Unlike Jeffery Epstein, George Floyd DID kill himself.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Heh. Misleading headline (a requirement for headlines).

WH and campaign said they weren’t going to make it an issue. They didn’t provide an opinion one way or the other. Trump said Biden should vet his candidates, presumably to minimize “issues.”


147 posted on 08/18/2020 5:02:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: atc23

There’s a residency “requirement” too, probably satisfied by keeping a PO box.


148 posted on 08/18/2020 5:03:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: billyboy15
-- ... any citizen can pursue this since as citizens they have "standing" --

Any citizen can poursue it, sure, but any court can (and does) deny standing.

149 posted on 08/18/2020 5:04:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“White House, Trump campaign: Kamala Harris is eligible to serve as VP”

Democrats, Media: Kamala Harris is not eligible to serve as VP


150 posted on 08/18/2020 5:07:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: nesnah
"Kamala Harris’s parents were both here on student VISAs when she was born. Student VISAs are given to FOREIGN students wishing to study here, and stay temporarily."

Her parents aren't running for Vice President. They wouldn't be able to.

151 posted on 08/18/2020 8:52:30 AM PDT by mlo
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