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To: Ennis85

Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.

End of story.


6 posted on 08/15/2020 2:41:20 PM PDT by Meatspace
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To: Meatspace
"Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth."

Nope. That is not the law.

10 posted on 08/15/2020 2:43:36 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Meatspace
Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.

Where is this in the law?

It's not in the Constitution, which merely says that the President must be a "natural born citizen," without ever defining the term.

People point to Minor vs. Happersett, but Minor merely stated that a person born in the US of two citizen parents is an NBC. The word "only" did not appear. In fact, it said nothing one way or the other about a person born here of two non-citizen parents (who weren't here as agents of a foreign government, so they would fall under the "jurisdiction of the United States" clause in the 14th Amendment).

Look, don't get me wrong. I would be delighted if EVERY Democrat were ineligible to ANY political office, including Kamelbreath Harris and the office of VP. But the law doesn't back you up. I'm sorry it doesn't, but it doesn't.

33 posted on 08/15/2020 2:57:34 PM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: Meatspace
Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.

0bama was president, and he has a foreign born non-citizen mother. In addition, it appears he was born in Western Canada.

94 posted on 08/15/2020 4:10:49 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Meatspace; Ennis85
Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.

End of story.

The Law of Nations is another name for International Law. United States citizenship is decided by U.S. law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title III, ch. 1, §?301, 66 Stat. 235; Pub. L. 89–770, Nov. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 1322; Pub. L. 92–584, §§ 1, 3, Oct. 27, 1972, 86 Stat. 1289; Pub. L. 95–432, §§?1, 3, Oct. 10, 1978, 92 Stat. 1046; Pub. L. 99–653, §12, Nov. 14, 1986, 100 Stat. 3657; Pub. L. 103–416, title I, § 101(a), Oct. 25, 1994, 108 Stat. 4306.)

Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At 169 U.S. 688:

This sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment is declaratory of existing rights, and affirmative of existing law, as to each of the qualifications therein expressed—" born in the United States," "naturalized in the United States," and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof "—in short, as to everything relating to the acquisition of citizenship by facts occurring within the limits of the United States. But it has not touched the acquisition of citizenship by being born abroad of American parents; and has left that subject to be regulated, as it had always been, by Congress, in the exercise of the power conferred by the Constitution to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.

The effect of the enactments conferring citizenship on foreign-born children of American parents has been defined, and the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the dominion of the United States, notwithstanding alienage of parents, has been affirmed, in well considered opinions of the executive departments of the Government, since the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution.


113 posted on 08/15/2020 4:30:38 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: Meatspace

Just to be clear, your assertion is based on your interpretation, and wishful thinking.

The Constitution does not make that a requirement, the current laws do not make that a requirement, Congress did not make that a requirement and the SCOTUS has ruled that is not a requirement.


114 posted on 08/15/2020 4:30:46 PM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt - Dad's wisdom)
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To: Meatspace

“Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.

End of story.”

The father of Chester A. Arthur, 21st president, was not a U.S. Citizen at the time of Arthur’s birth. He didn’t become a citizen until 17 years after Arthur’s birth.

When Arthur ran for VP and later became President after Garfield’s assassination his eligibility was challenged, but not on the basis his father wasn’t a citizen when he was born but based on claims he was born outside the U.S.


116 posted on 08/15/2020 4:33:21 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Meatspace

Which is supported by the 14th

“Jurisdiction”


153 posted on 08/15/2020 5:40:57 PM PDT by Hypo2
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