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US sends B-2 stealth bombers to counter Chinese threat against Taiwan
The Times ^ | 08/13/2020 | Michael Evans | Didi Tang, Beijing

Posted on 08/13/2020 7:49:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: ifinnegan

You’re putting words in my mouth rather than simply listening to what I’m saying. There’s two pieces here: first, we aren’t sending in any bombers until we’ve established air dominance. Sending in B-2s without owning the skies would be suicide. Our bombers are not magical bomb carrying unicorns that teleport unscathed; they must travel through the air as any other aircraft does. And if we send B-2s into skies full of hostile fighters, we’re going to need to build some replacements. So we’ll need to establish air dominance, which with China is going to take some time. We lack the numbers of key assets in the region to do much power projection without a concerted build-up. That’s going to take some time.

Second, if China invades Taiwan, we have a choice to make as to whether we’re going to involve ourselves. Taiwan is not US property. If they bomb/invade it, we’re not in a direct armed conflict with them at that point. If we want to go down that road, there are two realities we face: 1) it’s going to take years and trillions of dollars to win. And 2) Taiwan will not have a living thing larger than bacteria left on it by the end.

It’s unsettling to see the attitude some here have that our military is somehow wielding the power of God and can simply smite all enemies with a single thought in an instant. That is not reality. Reality is that we have the best trained, best equipped military on Earth, but fighting major wars on the other side of the world against probably the second strongest military on Earth takes a massive amount of time, effort, equipment, manpower, and materials, all of which have to be moved around and deployed. And the tools we have - while great - are not perfect. We have to be smart about how those personnel and assets are deployed in combat or we will lose far more than needed to achieve victory.

This cavalier attitude toward getting into a massive armed conflict with China is ludicrous. I want to see the Chinese beaten as much as anyone, but the way you do that is economically. Move manufacturing out of China, cut trade, coordinate with all other western nations to economically isolate China, squeeze their economy until it collapses, and let their people revolt against the Communist Party. This idea that we can simply vanquish every missile and torpedo China fires, that we can fly B-2s in and bomb anywhere we want in China without establishing air dominance, that we have some kind of magical powers is foolhardy.

If you’re going to go into that fight, you don’t rush into it with a handful of assets already in the area. That’s dumb. You’ll take tons of unnecessary losses doing that. You put the assets needed (most of the US military, frankly) into position, establish air dominance, remove their naval interdiction (primarily submarine based) capabilities, then start tearing down their air defenses and establishing a FOB. That’s easily going to take 2 years right there.


41 posted on 08/14/2020 2:57:37 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: Mariner

I would rather we overestimate them and be more cautious than underestimate them and take unnecessary losses. I value the lives of our military personnel and if they’re sent into a fight, I don’t ever want it to be fair in any sense of the word.

Any fight we send our military into should be an absolutely overwhelming tsunami of coordinated firepower. Our enemies should never have an opening to respond effectively against us. That’s what justifies the amount of spending on our military.


42 posted on 08/14/2020 3:01:58 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: SeekAndFind

The Chinese Military is too busy eating General Tso’s Chicken.


43 posted on 08/14/2020 3:08:06 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Your description of us starting a war over Taiwan is pure ChiCom viewpoint.

I don’t care about your military scenarios. It is your disseminating ChiCom talking points and positions I note.


44 posted on 08/14/2020 4:41:18 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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