Do We Believe in U.F.O.s? That’s the Wrong Question

NYTimes ^ | 7/28/2020 | Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean

[Mr. Blond]

Like wheels of polished bronze, with many faces?

[zeugma]

Proximity

Neat. Will try to remember to watch this.

[jmacusa]

“And there were wheels within wheels and where ever the wheels went the angles went with them’’.

[theoilpainter]

And they apparently have crashed. So much for their advanced skills as aviators.

[Pearls Before Swine]

They are not saying anything about who pilots them or the occupants, just that these craft exist. The pilots of these will be addressed at some point and then it gets real interesting.

Maybe these objects are drones--no pilots. Show us the "not of this earth" materials and the analyses. In detail, not in some blurry photos like I might see in the supermarket tabloids.

[RoosterRedux]

Shiite happens. Apparently to everyone.;-)

[dainbramaged]

Like the safety on a firearm, spacecraft are mechanical devices and capable of failure which could lead to an accident.

[Vermont Lt]

If the movement through deep space is that “easy” mass would not much matter. Carriers could come close, and then drop off the little ships.

[Ransomed]

If it’s true at all, I guess part of the timing has to be making sure everyone who initially decided on the policy of lies and cover ups is dead or so old they don’t care if they are now exposed. This isn’t how a free people should be treated.

Freegards

[who_would_fardels_bear]

If there are aliens and they show themselves then there will be a relatively small percentage of the world's population that believes them to be demons from Hell rather than aliens from another planet.

It will be interesting to see what these people do and what the aliens and world governments do in response.

[logi_cal869]

I just hope “they” don’t watch “the news”...

[RoosterRedux]

You raise a very interesting point re: demonic.

It'll be pretty easy to determine whether they are good or evil/demonic based on the behavior and communications.

We would have to do that anyway.

Some, perhaps many, people who have been abducted say that their abductors are evil based on their treatment by them and the fact that they are deceitful. Whether or not that also means demonic is probably beside the point.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Here they are;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aatjerFCRP8

[Tucker39]

I saw a flock of them, approximately a dozen of them, one we night in 1966. A buddy and I were fishing, on a lake, in a boat. The fish were NOT biting, so we laid back in opposite ends of the boat and watched the sky. And suddenly, THERE THEY WERE! They were luminous. They were high. Twenty-K feet or more. They were maneuvering around amongst each other, stopping and starting, doing things an earthly aircraft can’t do. Their luminosity was turning on and off. After several minutes, they vanished. Then after a while they suddenly reappeared. Eventually we got the cruds of the fruitless excursion, went ashore and called it a night. 100% true, with my right hand raised.

[Sirius Lee]

If there are aliens and they show themselves then there will be a relatively small percentage of the world's population that believes them to be demons from Hell rather than aliens from another planet.

Conversely, if the are demons and the show themselves, then there will be a relatively large percentage of the world's population that may believe them to be benevolent ETs rather than demons in a great deception.

It will be interesting to see what these people do and what the demons and world governments do in response.

I have seen enough of the strange and the mundane to have a fairly open theories regarding the taxonomic diversity and origin of whatever other "beings" may be all around us.

[RoosterRedux]

In this country, the Left will welcome demons with open arms. They don't believe in evil anyway.

In fact, as far as one can tell, the Left has already cut a deal with the Devil.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

It is said that God allows Satan to attempt to deceive humans, but that He provides sufficient grace so that no one necessarily will be fooled.

The Christian Scientists believe that all of reality is a delusion and that if we could only see properly we would see that we were all one and there is no differentiation into different people and things. That appears to me to be waaaay to deceptive for a merciful God.

God allowing Satan and his minions to manifest as convincing ETs may also be going waaay overboard. It would be on the order of saying that the Earth is only thousands of years old and God allowed Satan to put dinosaur fossils in the ground to trick us into believing in Evolution.

[RoosterRedux]

This may be the "Strong Delusion" of 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

[MayflowerMadam]

“Extraterrestrial Biological Entities”

If there are such things, then God created them ‘cause He created ... well ... everything.

[dragnet2]

Missed your comment earlier. Two memorable occasions come to mine, but there have been others.

About 5 years ago, while setting up to image the lunar surface, one object, what appeared to be a tiny, dim point of light which came into the field of view some distance from the lunar limb. It was moving towards the moon. My first thought was just another satellite in earth orbit. But when I continued to watch it, it disappeared when it reached the lunar limb. Even with lunar filters to dim the intense light being reflected off the lunar surface, I did not see it cross the lunar surface. I then waited for this tiny point of light to exit the other side of the moon, from behind or in front of it, but it never did. To this day, I have no idea what it was.

On another occasion some years ago, while aligning the scope I saw about about 12 white oval discs in a V formation cross the field of view in the eyepiece. I winced as the objects crossed the field of view within about 2 seconds or so. I looked up from the eyepiece and could not see anything. They were obviously not visible to the unaided eye, no sound, no nothing. I tried using the scope tracking to lock back on to the objects, but was unable to locate them.

Then about 1 year later I saw an article online from an old Life magazine edition, circa 1950s. The article was titled, Texas Lubbock lights, with images taken an engineer or professor with 35mm film camera. And to my amazement, they were near identical to what I saw that night years later in my eyepiece, except the objects in Texas from the 50s I believe were visible objects to the unaided eye. Those I saw were not.

Here are a couple of the images obtained back in the fifties in Texas.