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To: odawg; Anti-Hillary

Except that it is you that is engaging in the historical revisionism. I take the Confederate politicians at their word when I read the resolutions of secession they passed as the reasons for leaving the United States that it was about slavery, racism, and white supremacy - it was that way right from the beginning - South Carolina was the first to do so. They said it, no one else. We take them at their word. I take the Confederate politicians’ stump speeches (such as the Cornerstone Speech) that white supremacy / slavery was the basis for the Confederacy’s existence. Again, they said it, not me. I take them at their word and believe they meant what they said. That’s the real history of the Confederacy. Ignoring that reality doesn’t change it. And the Confederate flag obviously represents the Confederacy and what the Confederacy represents. It’s not a “slur” ... it’s just stating the facts.


72 posted on 07/19/2020 3:16:49 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

This faction has agreed with that position since 1861:

https://isreview.org/issue/80/karl-marx-and-american-civil-war

“THE CIVIL War is the defining event in the history of the United States, yet also the most misunderstood. More books are written on this war than on any period of US history, yet for all the words poured across the pages, the real cause of the war—slavery—is usually missed or obscured. Rather, there are tales of chivalrous Confederate generals heroically leading charges, drunken Union generals butchering their men in horrible frontal assaults, brothers fighting brothers in a pointless war that ravaged the land and wounded a people. Was the Civil War just a tragic mistake? A war like any other imperialist war the United States ruling class has its soldiers fighting in today? While some answer these questions with a yes, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels would have been taken aback. They would have resoundingly answered “no.” The Civil War, they believed, was not just another horrible atrocity, but rather a revolution that ended slavery and destroyed the slave-owners’ power as a class.

“Marx and Engels saw the events leading to the Civil War as momentous. In a January 1861 letter to Engels, written after the election of Republican candidate Abraham Lincoln, but before his inauguration, Marx wrote, “In my opinion, the biggest things that are happening in the world today are on the one hand the movement of the slaves in America started by the death of John Brown, and on the other the movement of the serfs in Russia.”

“During the war, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels contributed dozens of insightful articles for the New York Tribune and, later, for the Viennese Die Presse on political and military issues. Engels specialized on the military strategy of the Lincoln administration and that of the Confederate Jefferson Davis rebel government. Karl Marx had a more sweeping look at the conflict, from the economic development of the nation to the actions of the political and military leaders. Overall, Marx had a better grasp on the whole war. Both men saw the war as an extension of the American Revolution of 1776. Marx and Engels argued that Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation and the North’s arming of Black soldiers transformed the Civil War from a purely constitutional war to preserve the country with slavery intact, into a revolutionary war. They did not characterize the Civil War as a socialist revolutionary war, but they believed that it advanced the cause of all workers, both white and Black, by destroying chattel slavery. The revolution armed former slaves, destroyed the horrendous institution of slavery without compensation to the slave-owners, and opened the way for a struggle between the working class and the capitalist class. As a result, our next revolution in this country will be a working-class revolution.


97 posted on 07/19/2020 4:41:38 PM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“And the Confederate flag obviously represents the Confederacy...”

Your quotes remind me of Lincoln’s.

As a poster pointed out, the American flag flew over slavery many, many years.

I grew up in the South and the Confederacy was never, and I mean, NEVER, mentioned. The flag was, of course, because it was part of the Southern identity. Which is why it flew unmolested for almost a hundred and fifty years before self-righteous snowflakes like you listened to some malcontents.


99 posted on 07/19/2020 4:51:15 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Republican Wildcat

Except that it is you that is engaging in the historical revisionism. I take the Confederate politicians at their word when I read the resolutions of secession they passed as the reasons for leaving the United States that it was about slavery, racism, and white supremacy
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And yet when Lincoln gave his Proclamation Emancipation he only freed the Southern Slaves and not the Northern. The South as they were running out of young White men emancipated their own slaves. (Granted it was to continue the fight but it was the end to slavery in the South.) That part has always been overlooked. It is the history of this country both North and South that we have climbed from sin to a higher purer purpose over time. It is one of our blessings for being free people.


168 posted on 07/21/2020 7:19:53 AM PDT by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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