Is Yakima Overwhelmed by the Corona Virus or by something else

Common Sense Book ^ | 06/25/2020? | David Spring M. Ed.

[Scrambler Bob]

Do you really expect the government to make sense
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Well, they take a lot of sense/cents.

A LOT of cents.

[palmer]

You don't give any evidence that they are effective.

I've mentioned it a dozen times.

The workers and all clients wore face masks, likely preventing the spread of the illness, according to health officials, who credited the business’s policies, including distancing chairs and staggering appointments.

The Health Department offered testing to all those who were potentially exposed. All 46 people tested returned negative results, officials said.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/11/no-new-coronavirus-cases-for-patrons-served-by-infected-hairstylists/

I walk for 45 minutes every morning on the highway shoulder in front of my farm and have literally had people like you stop and tell me the county requires masks.

I'll tell you the same I told others. I could care less whether you wear a mask or not. It is no concern of mine. Nor would it be if you were a few feet away from me in a store or anywhere else. The reason I say masks work is simple: because they seem to work. Not 100%, not appropriate for some people, etc. I am arguing for facts here, not arguing to force you to do it.

[A44MAGNUT]

OK. I accept that you understand that a mask can seriously damage someones health and a universal mask mandate is not only immoral but dangerous. In a free society the individual makes the choice as to what risk level he/she will accept.

[DeplorableGirl]

And you can call the lies you’ve chosen to believe facts if it makes you “feel safe”.
You are blind deaf and dumb if you cannot see oppression by government fiat using false numbers to justify it.
Oh and masks don’t work.
Tata Karen.
Go sky scream somewhere else.
Fearpers are ignorant.

[Dexter Morgan]

The main problem is that the Mayor of Selah (Inslee’s original home district) had the audacity to make a proclamation that the Selah City Police would not be citing citizens or businesses in Selah for not following Inslee’s mandates. She defied him, so all of Yakima county must suffer even though the outbreaks are almost exclusive to migrant workers and their families.

Benton County (Clint Didier) also defied the Governor, so they must be punished!

Yakima, Benton, and Franklin counties all have very high migrant populations, with some towns being 95% Hispanic (Wapato, Toppenish, Sunnyside, Pasco). Either Inslee is racist against Hispanics, or this is political retribution.

[HotHunt]

Well, you didn't mention any of these dozens of times in your response to me. Where was I supposed to get it from? Osmosis?

And I like the scientific proof you provide like ".... they seem to work....". That is about as unfactual and unscientific as you can get.

Since I don't have this viral infection, you could have used me as one of those 45 people in that test and got the same results. Negative. Doesn't prove anything.

And finally, at what point does wearing a mask become useless and pointless? When the government tells you it's okay?

Or when clear thinking Americans decide they have had enough of this big mommy and daddy government nonsense?

[TexasTransplant]

*** “This whole thing is a farce. My country has gone mad” ***

Thank you for your post

[richardtavor]

All over the US. The riots and protests started in late May and early June. It takes two weeks to show any signs and testing has increased to the point that a high probability of detection now exists. I suspect that millions more have been infected but have never shown any symptoms or illness at all. Just like the flu affects many millions every year that don’t show up in hospitals. So, yes, even in south-central WA are Covid spikes affected by the mass movement of these protests. In my opinion. I told my wife when we watched the protests that the spike should occur in mid to late June. And so it is.

[palmer]

Since I don't have this viral infection, you could have used me as one of those 45 people in that test and got the same results. Negative. Doesn't prove anything.

Did you go to that salon wearing a mask? If not, then your test result is irrelevant. First, as I've explained already, there is no such thing as proof, of anything. There is only evidence for and against. Evidence for masks comes from 46 negative tests out of 46. That makes it about 99.9% likely that nobody out of the 140 exposed got infected.

Evidence from the lack of masks comes from the church choir practice. No symptoms, no fever, no touching, enforced distancing, large indoor space and no masks. About 80-90% of the choir got it from one or more asymptomatic cases.

[HotHunt]

Evidence against wearing mask: me.

[TexasTransplant]

*** “Yakima has a lot of illegals there.. They support the farm communities!!” ***

They are called Migrant Workers, Grew up with them, worked side by side with them, some of my best friends and going on almost 60 years, I still am in touch with them (FACEBOOK etc) we picked together, went to school together, served in the Military together.

It is a seasonal Migration that has happened since the 1800’s
Read “Centennial” and understand Brumbaughs dilemma and his 50/50 solution.
Agriculture is not only Seasonal it happens at a different schedule ... Example ... We have very expensive Combines that start in South TX and just move North as they complete each field, they finish in the Northern Latitudes (Canada) dismantle the Combines and ship them back to South Texas and Prepare/Repair them for the next season and do it all over again.
Migrants Workers are no different ... It is the Politics/Politicians that are scamming the system, the Migrants are being used as Pawns... They want to go home for the Winter and return when the season starts again.
Then there is the whole Mexican Mafia/Narco angle ... it is scary for them to go home sometimes (have you been there lately?) but they have Wives and Children back home.
There is a way to do this but Mexico has to do it’s part.
Trump is the Man that can do/fix this. I think We are on the right track. Mexico and US relations are much better than most are led to believe ... unless we get Biden’s VP as our next President (that will suck many many times worse)

[Mr. Jeeves]

tons of illegals are getting the chinese virus in Yakima county and other Eastern WA counties - that’s what driving the rise in cases

And in Arizona. And in Texas. And almost everywhere else...

[TexasTransplant]

*** “A governor compelling you to wear a mask should be arrested and jailed for medical malpractice” ***

I LOVE THIS!

[Shethink13]

First of all, science does not permit "proof" of anything, only evidence for and evidence against.

One compelling piece of evidence for spread without masks, with no touching, greater than six foot spacing and a large indoor space is the church choir event.

You are welcome to provide evidence that masks do not work.

Well that’s convenient. I’m suppose to provide evidence to prove a negative.

Well you’re welcome to provide evidence that those choir members would not have become infected if they HAD been wearing masks.

[palmer]

Well that’s convenient. I’m suppose to provide evidence to prove a negative.

Like I said, no proof is possible or required in science, only the weight of evidence. Evidence that masks do not work would be the same as evidence that the control case was able to prevent the spread of the virus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6993921/figure/CD006207-fig-0005/?report=objectonly As you can see from the chart, there are only two studies where it is possible the mask was less effective than the control but the overall conclusion is that masks are 0.32 times as likely to get infected. That's a non-trivial amount of protection. Those are surgical masks, not N95. Also that's only measuring one-way spread to the mask wearer, not from another mask wearer. In the latter case spread would be even lower. Paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6993921/

[M-cubed]

Yakima has a lot of illegals there.. They support the farm communities!! <<<

great!.....I assume the Farmers that own that land will die happy from the covid..but after the crops are harvested...

[tallyhoe]

great!.....I assume the Farmers that own that land will die happy from the covid..but after the crops are harvested...

Probably, I’m not for illegals being here anytime..Deport them all I say!!!

[tallyhoe]

Illegals are Illegals. They are not migrant anything!

[Turbo Pig]

Aren't those two different things?

Nope, part of the same problem; over reaction. You didn't answer my question. In a bad flu year, are you going to advocate doing what governments across the country have done through this mess? If so, have you done so in the past? If not, why is it so important now and in the future?

It was prudent when you could extrapolate a 10% mortality rate. Now, with the numbers available, and a very questionable mortality rate of .6% it just doesn't make sense, unless it's not about health but about control.

[A44MAGNUT]

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