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To: DMZFrank
Michaelis’s daughter would have been a Japanese citizen at her birth, by JAPANESE law.

But nothing would prevent the US from also granting her full citizenship.

...particularly from a father owing an allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.

How many people living here when the Constitution was drafted do you think had at least one foreign born parent?

Do you really think the framers meant to exclude them all from eligibility?

The allegiance the framers worried about was something that is freely given, not something inherited at birth.

There's a reason we pledge allegiance and don't just show our birth certificates.

36 posted on 06/21/2020 11:59:17 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Playing the scribe again. Nobody but US citizen parents can bequeath ‘natural born’ US citizenship to anyone ... but they have to do it on US soil...

Stop playing games with our Constitution. We the people are government!!!!


37 posted on 06/21/2020 12:02:05 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: semimojo

I have NO DOUBT whatsoever, that the reason for the natural born citizen requirement was to minimize the possibility of undue foreign influence upon the office of POTUS, PARTICULARLY from a father who might owe allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.

The SCOTUS, members of the founding generation, quoted in it’s 1814 Venus Merchantman decision the entire 212th paragraph from Emmerich De Vatels Law of Nations that defined a natural born citizen as having two citizen parents and born on the soil of the nation to define an NBC for purposes of that decision.

The founders were patriarchs, no matter how offensive that term may be to many current sensibilities. They believed that the citizenship of the child followed that of the father. I believe that only an Article V constitutional amendment can redefine that meaning.


40 posted on 06/21/2020 12:20:12 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: semimojo

As a matter of fact, the US DID grant Michaelis’s daughter US citizenship (not natural born) at her birth by virtue of the Immigration and Naturalization Act.

My point is, that in the absence of a negotiated Status of Forces Agreement with the Japanese government, there would have been NOTHING to prevent Japan from bestowing Japanese citizenship upon her as well.


43 posted on 06/21/2020 12:35:54 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: semimojo

How many people living here when the Constitution was drafted do you think had at least one foreign born parent?

When the constitution was ratified in 1787, every citizen of the USA had been born a British subject. NONE of the first seven US presidents was a natural born citizen. Martin van Buren, born in 1782, was the first. The other seven were waived by virtue of the “grandfather” clause in Article II, Section I, clause 5. To wit:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Makes it pretty clear to me.


45 posted on 06/21/2020 12:47:46 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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