Think about the implications of what you're saying.
Each country decides who their citizens are.
Cuba could say that as of today every person born in the US is a Cuban citizen at birth and by your logic people born from that point forward wouldn't be eligible to be President.
We don't control other countries' citizenship policies so we would be fools to make eligibility dependent upon them.
Why else would the US Senate need ‘resolve’ https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text joke is on you ... bunch of scribes.
Look who was hiding in plain sight ... why that fraud Obama ... Hillry who then attempted to oust the candidacy of Brack, over eligibility...
Natural born citizens are born of citizen parents, they are naturally Americans because they can’t be anything else.
Foreigners give birth to foreigners, same as Ted Cruz has a claim to US citizenship even though born in Canada.
He is Cuban from his father, Canadian by birth and got US citizenship through his mother, but is not a natural born citizen.
We should see his file so we know when and how he got it.
I refer you to Clay Blair’s excellent study of the Korean War, “The Forgotten War”, page 146. I quote LTC Mike Michaelis, who had just been given command of the US Army’s 27th Wolfhound Regiment, and was ordered to immediately deploy from Japan to Korea in July of 1950. “We’d just had our first child-a daughter. The only thing I had time to do was rush to the American Consulate with my wife and get our daughter certified so that SHE WOULDN’T BE A JAPANESE CITIZEN. I put twenty-five dollars, a razor, and tooth brush in my pocket and took off.” His daughter was born in the US Army hospital on Honshu.
Japan had regained it’s sovereignty at that time, and it’s citizenship laws were in effect. Japanese citizenship law held that ANYONE born on Japanese soil was a Japanese citizen. However, the US and Japan had concluded Status of Forces Agreements concerning the children born to US military personnel on Japanese soil. US military bases were LEASED from the Japanese government to the US for use as bases. They were still considered to be Japanese soil. If they were US soil, then the child of a pregnant Japanese worker delivering on a US base would be a 14th amendment citizen, just as if she had delivered in the US Embassy, which is US soil. With the SOFA agreement in place at that time, the Japanese citizenship of their daughter was waived, and the child would be exclusively a US citizen, (not natural born, but by US immigration and naturalization statutes extant at the time,(in the manner of Ted Cruz) Without the SOFA requisite paperwork, Michaelis’s daughter would have been a Japanese citizen at her birth, by JAPANESE law.
Both Michaelis AND his wife were natural born US citizens, serving their country overseas. Despite this, the location of their daughter’s birth makes her not even a 14th amendment citizen, but a statute citizen via the existing US Immigration and Naturalization laws.
I don’t like this reality, I don’t think that it is fair, but I did not write Article II. Children born overseas to parents serving overseas are NOT NBC’s
I recall another instance of a shot down Tuskegee Fighter pilot (I think it was from Lt. Col. Alexander Jefferson’s account “Red Tail Captured, Red Tail Free,” but I am not sure) who was interrogated by a German Oberleutnant speaking perfectly accented US English in the Stalag where he was being held.
The airman asked the German officer why he spoke such good English. He explained that he had been brought to the US by his parents when he was 10 years old. He was interned as an enemy alien by the 3rd Reich while visiting Germany by Adolph Hitler’s Declaration of war on the US on Dec 11 1941.
After a brief internment, he said that he had been drafted into the German Army under the German citizenship laws at the time as a VOLKSDEUTSCHE citizen. He fought on the Eastern Front, was wounded and transferred to the Western Front and fought against the Allies in Italy, including US troops. Wounded again, he was sent to the Stalag as an interrogator.
After the war, a charge of treason was considered against him. But the charges were dropped when it was determined that the Germans did have the right to conscript him as a natural born German citizen, under THEIR laws, and that he was a lawful enemy combatant.
Yes, circumstances can certainly dictate when you are subject to a foreign power.
Accordingly, the framers wanted to minimize (not guarantee) the likelihood of undue foreign influence upon the office of POTUS, particularly from a father owing an allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.
I am not claiming that my argument is definitive, but I truly would like to see it adjudicated rather than being ignored, or ridiculed.
“We dont control other countries’ citizenship policies..”
True enough.
But the combo Jus Soli/Jus Sanguinis NBC definition the U.S. Supreme Court recognized in Minor v. Happersett would allow the U.S. to prevail in every single case of a foreign country claiming jurisdiction of a U.S. citizen who meets the Minor definition.
Birth in a U.S. state (not territory) limits the amount of lies and other funny business potentially associated with the particular circumstances of one’s birth. Certifying U.S. citizenship status of one’s parents at birth places at least a one generation buffer between you and anyone with potentially unalloyed loyalties to “the old country”.
We need both strains of protection to assure complete fidelity in our presidents.
If Cuba categorically deems such a person a citizen, what can we do? That’s their choice. But Cuba could never successfully demonstrate any kind of jurisdiction over such a person, sufficient to, say, force him to serve in the Cuban Army, even if the Havana police got their filthy hands on him after he ended up swimming to shore there after a shipwreck. The United States would be able to retrieve our NBC from Cuban custody in a nonce based on overwhelming evidence that he’s an American (i.e., a U.S. North American), through and through. The same goes for Israeli citizenship at birth based on some kind of Israeli citizenship or residence status that one grandparents either have, or at least had in the past. The U.S. wold win the jurisdictional dispute in international court every time, provided the person in question is an NBC under the Minor v. Happersett definition.