So, let’s get some points of agreement straight;
a) Indentured servitude was bad, and the entire system was rife with abuse.
b) The Irish, in particular had it extremely bad, with the English treating them very poorly, and indenture was often used as a punishment
3) In many cases, indentured servitude had conditions very similar to slavery.
However, to quote from the linked Irish Central Article “To be clear, there is no way the Irish slave experience mirrored the extent or level of centuries-long degradation that African slaves went through.” It even goes on to say “some would call it slavery”. This is comparison to the actual slavery experienced by the African Americans. While the indentured servant system was abused, with terms in some cases arbitrarily increased, the term for the African American slaves was in perpetuity, on to all of their descendants.
By the 1850s (the time I was talking about, remember), the number of African American slaves was just shy of 4 million. The number if Irish held in indentured servitude - zero.
So, to summarize: slavery is bad, nobody should be held in slavery, or in conditions similar to slavery.
[[While the indentured servant system was abused, with terms in some cases arbitrarily increased, the term for the African American slaves was in perpetuity, on to all of their descendants.]]
Did you read the link i provided? Irish children born to their irish slave parents were kept as slaves too- thsi was not ‘indentured servantude’- not even close-
[[By the 1850s (the time I was talking about, remember), the number of African American slaves was just shy of 4 million. The number if Irish held in indentured servitude - zero.]]
And what in the world does time period have to do with anything? Black slavery was ‘worse than white slavery because it happened later’? The irish were not the only slaves taken- you took a quote from the one link i provided that gave details about the irish slavery- but it was from a site that downplays the atrocities that the irish had to endure- comparing what htey went through to ‘indentured servantude’ is dishonest- it was slavery- every bit as brutal as what black slaves went htroug- perhaps even more brutal for the simple reason that irish slaves were much cheaper to buy- so it wasn’t a large loss for hte owner when they died-
The4 only reason i posted that one site was because it at least attempted to be partially honest about what they went through- but the blew it later i n the article by dishonestly comparing it to simple indentured servitude
Read the link i gave that other fella a couple of posts back- the irish were not ‘obliged servants’- nowhere near that- Nor were the great many Christian and Jewish slaves even remotely comparable to indentured servantude- We can drop that title- it’s dishonest- Children born to irish slaves were also kept as slaves-
Here’ here’s an exerpt:
“If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce.”
https://newspunch.com/almost-one-million-irish-slaves-at-risk-of-being-scrubbed-from-history/