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To: Bob434

I do believe I said “in the 1850s” when I replied about the Irish being slaves. I have no doubt that in earlier Colonial periods, there was in fact slavery of Irish and other whites. This practice had in fact died out by the 1850s, and, in any case, was never to the industrial level as was practiced in the 1850s, nor was it enshrined in the legal fabric of the nation.

Just to make it clear, I am not in favor or reparations to any descendants of any enslaved persons. I just believe that the formal enslavement of nearly 4 million African Americans in this country is without parallel.


41 posted on 06/21/2020 8:51:15 AM PDT by Team Cuda
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To: Team Cuda

actually it’s not without parallel- Jews have been enslaved by the millions as have other groups- and like i mentioned- it’s becoming known that whites were enslaved in larger numbers than black folks have been and for a much longer period of time-

This isn’t to excuse any of it- it is just to get the facts out there that they don’t wish to admit- Many black folks were slave owners, and many black folks were slave traders- and many many white folks were slaves-

Also note- I didnt’ see you mention anything about time periods- all i saw was your question about links to sites that speak about the study- you state you hadn’t heard about any of it before- so i assumed you wanted info about the fact that whites were taken as slaves- and not just irish whites either- Brits were taken as slaves, White Christians were taken as slaves- Heck- it’s still going on- with the sex slave trade- white folks are kidnapped and forced into prostitution- This is no less horrible-

and white folks even in recent years were forced into sweat camps- which is also a form of slavery- many died in these camps from malnutrition, overwork, abuse etc-

in 2010 it was estimated that 27+ million people worldwide- black and white, were slaves in some form or another- sweat shops- ‘indentured servants’ (that are indistinguishable to actual slaves), sex slaves, both male and female- white and black and every color- forced slavery for debts- etc- this is all still going on- and black folks are just as guilty as white folks of committing these atrocities- even in modern times-

[[This practice had in fact died out by the 1850s,]]

not true- as mentioned above- it wasn’t just irish or white during a set time period- it’s still going on- with all races being both victims and oppressors- and really, that has nothing to do with the fact that one group is demanding reparations while ignoring the fact that white folks were slaves too, and that the numbers were likely larger than black slaves- it also ignores the fact that black slave owners and black slave traders was very common- even in the 1900’s -

Why is one group special and demanding reparations, while many folks of the white race are also ‘ancestors of folks who were enslaved’? It’s not because recent slave owners were more brutal- that isn’t the case- Some slave owners all down through history- even to this day- are and were brutal- Are the more special and thus more deserving because the majority of black slaves were until 160 years ago kept as slaves? Do they think they are more deserving than other races because they claim they were taken in larger numbers than other slaves? If so- we’re finding that likely isn’t even true-

Not sure why one group of slaves think they are more entitled to reparations than any other race of people- Christians have been forced into slavery for many 1000’s of years- brutally treated- boiled alive, skinned alive, fed to animals while still alive- set on fire to entertain the crowds- (back during roman times), White folks forced into sex slavery, work slavery- etc- beaten, tortured, maltreated- etc etc- many maltreated by black owners- some by white owners- many by muslim owners- Every race has had slaves, and been slaves themselves practically down through the years- no one group gets to claim special consideration

“Other parts of Europe, Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, Netherlands, Sicily, Malta and as northwards as Iceland were raided by African pirates whose sole purpose was to capture European slaves.”

http://blog.swaliafrica.com/when-europeans-were-slaves-to-africans/


42 posted on 06/21/2020 10:19:57 AM PDT by Bob434
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