That you cherry pick what suits your beliefs? That's true IMHO. That I got the speeches you referenced crossed? I'll take your word for it.
So his experience made him an expert on Lincoln? It's my recollection that Lincoln had disdain for Frederick Douglas, so i'm not sure Lincoln would have been confiding in him regarding his plans or intentions.
Where do you get that? Abraham Lincoln Meets Frederick Douglass.
We people who lived later can often get a better picture of events than the participants because we can see information they did not have available to them at the time.
Where do you think the information we look at now came from? From the people who lived through it.
Like the financial records showing how much Southern trade caused to flow into the US Treasury, as well as into the pockets of Lincolns "Robber Barons" in New York City.
So what? You keep throwing that around as if it proves anything. I get it. Everyone in the north was not for abolition. That was what President Lincoln had to deal with when he was elected in 1860. Frederick Douglass, who had no reason to trust whites, understood this.
It doesn't prove anything. When it was all over, slavery was abolished by the positive actions of President Lincoln and the Republicans.
You shouldn't. I never ask anyone to believe anything on my word alone. I constantly urge them to read the histories I point out to them, and think for themselves rather than just parroting the propaganda we've all been taught our entire lives.
I doubt you and I agree on what is the propaganda, but Kudos to you for challenging others to research for themselves.
That certainly supports your position, but it sounds like a play someone had written rather than a contemporary account of what happened. I've read elsewhere that Lincoln wasn't too fond of Frederick Douglas, but I have no doubt he did the politically expedient thing in public.
It doesn't prove anything. When it was all over, slavery was abolished by the positive actions of President Lincoln and the Republicans.
That is in fact so, but it misses the point. The goal wasn't to abolish slavery, and this point seemingly gets lost on everyone who has no interest in understanding what the real goal was.
The real goal was to maintain control of the South's economic activities and prevent them from becoming a threat to the powerful men in the North who's ideological descendants have been controlling Washington DC ever since.
I doubt you and I agree on what is the propaganda, but Kudos to you for challenging others to research for themselves.
If you tell people something, they just think you are trying to convince them of something. If you tell them how and where to find the information they need, they will convince themselves. Nobody listens to anyone better than they listen to themselves.