Our Nation's Capital was attacked and the FBI and CIA knew nothing about it?

[JonPreston]

+100, to everything you said. We old timers can continue traveling back in time to when Richard Daley found enough last minute votes in Cook County to elect JFK. And what about his assassination? As a kid I instinctively thought something was odd about that. Gulf of Tonkin (read Robert McNamara’s book on Vietnam), Iraqi yellow cake, on and on it goes and not one thing I mentioned is a conspiracy. It’s our history and it’s available to anyone who wants to learn.

[ScholarWarrior]

You were the one who said they were overburdened. You don’t belong here.

[fightu4it]

“Do you see what you did there? You created an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.” [Salvavida]

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Ask anyone associated with George Soros how “unsubstantiated” the theory is. Any comments on Q while you are trolling?

[fightu4it]

Do NSA’s Bulk Surveillance Programs Stop Terrorists?
Policy Paper

By Bailey Cahall, Peter Bergen, David Sterman, and Emily Schneider
Jan. 13, 2014

On June 5, 2013, the Guardian broke the first story in what would become a flood of revelations regarding the extent and nature of the NSA’s surveillance programs. Facing an uproar over the threat such programs posed to privacy, the Obama administration scrambled to defend them as legal and essential to U.S. national security and counterterrorism. Two weeks after the first leaks by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden were published, President Obama defended the NSA surveillance programs during a visit to Berlin, saying: “We know of at least 50 threats that have been averted........more

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That must be some slick comms Antifa has in order to fly under the NSA radar like that. Give me a break...these clowns are being ALLOWED to operate!

[Salvavida]

You just changed the debate. Soros is a US person and FBI would have primacy over a case against him. You said CIA, and I maintained correctly they have no charter in this.

[Salvavida]

You are outside of the scope of the conversation. NSA wasn't discussed. CIA has no mission in the US outside of overt, and even then, they have to obtain permission from FBI with justification--- and that justification MUST be linked to foreign intelligence (FI). Anything outside of that is illegal.

Don't believe me? Start your investigation. FOIA is your friend and many of the policy papers are unclassified.

But I will give you a freebie since I happen to know this issue, and whence it came from: the IG for Intelligence Oversight for DoD in 2011-13; the former Director of Intelligence for the Marine Corps, who I knew on a professional basis.

The issue that allowed "collection" on US persons had to do with what the term "collect" actually means. This nuance opened the door to what amounted to the intelligence community "vacuuming up" data and storing it. That is a FACT. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not some idiot popping off not knowing what the fvck he is talking about, it's a FACT.

Don't believe me? FOIA or you can call a staffer from your congresscritter. Ask for a redacted versos of the judgment from the DoD IG and the followup policy on how it effected the broader intel community.

I reiterate, the CIA would have no charter to collect on the riots here on American soil and they are not going to task overseas collection based on fantasy. That is my point. I use to do this shit.

[fightu4it]

Reuters.com, January 18, 2017:
CIA UNVEILS NEW RULES FOR COLLECTING INFORMATION ON AMERICANS

[In 2014, legislation gave U.S. intelligence agencies two years to develop procedures limiting the storage of information on U.S. citizens.

The new procedures, under development for years, were signed on Tuesday by CIA Director John Brennan and Attorney General Loretta Lynch.].....MORE

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Knowing what we know now about Brennan and Lynch, which I understand both have lawyered up, you can forgive people if they are a bit skeptical. The FBI is broken and no one trust what they have to say anymore thanks to Comey and his subordinates. I hope President Trump picks Ric Grenell to head the FBI. Grenell may be the only person who has a chance to salvage bureau.

[Gene Eric]

As the CIC, glad he dispatched the Military.

[Salvavida]

That is RETENTION of information, and that was the crux of the 2011-12 decision. Intelligence Oversight and all of its policies mean jack shit if the executive authority undermines or ignores it.

That does not change the charter of CIA and the process of the intelligence requirement and tasking systems.

I will give you a hint without going into anything classified: An intelligence requirement isn't just a question. It summarizes the issue of what is known and it has the justification for collection. Then it has to be validated. No one tasks collection on a whim without those included in the requirement itself. All of these can be picked up from any intelligence manual. I personally like the older US Army FM 34-2 on Collection Management. The current one sucks. CIA and FBI (and every one else) only differ on terminology and style.

[fightu4it]

I am glad they have all these written procedures you cite. None of them mean a damned thing when they are not followed.

[Salvavida]

The system works and it works well. Even when intelligence agencies are strained by the amount of tasking they receive. But when the citizens elect a marxist (twice), and he in turn brings in like-minded individuals, How can citizens reasonably expect a different outcome?

[fightu4it]

I assume you have not been watching Rod Rosenstein in front of the senate committee. Obviously the man suffers from amnesia, or he is hiding some things. More likely he is getting a pass, and they have settled on Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and are hoping they can satisfy the public with those two sacrifices. I am not so sure the public is that gullible anymore.

It is a FACT that there was, and still is a coup attempt against our duly elected President Donald Trump. It is a FACT that members of the intelligence community are involved., It is a FACT that members of Congress are involved. It is a FACT that much of the media is likewise involved.

It is also a FACT that this attempted coup WILL FAIL. The sooner it does, the less the damage to the Country, but sooner or later the coup is doomed for all the right reasons.

[Salvavida]

Dude, I am on the same page. But I take exception to the term "Intelligence Community." Nay, it was a very small handful of executives.

I knew immediately from the very first report, that is was BS because I know the IC having worked many years on it. When you say "IC" you are stating 17 agencies, the majority of which do not have the mission or resources to comment on whether or not DJT was colluding with the Russians. If we think logically, this is called a some of "P" is not "S". And that "P" is enormous.

Let me give you and example: Does anyone think Marine Corps Intelligence Activity (MCIA) weighed in on this, or commented towards its veracity? This is how it would have played out: A Request for Information (RFI) comes into the organization via Coliseum (the ICs RFI management tool), and then the Production Manager holds a meeting on Monday to go over who it going to answer the question or comment on a piece of intelligence. There isn't anyone in the Marine Corps that is going to comment because they do NOT have the mission: and that will dutifully be entered into Coliseum, which gets the Marine Corps off the hook.

Now look at the missions within the IC and the same thing is repeated. There are only two DoD entities that MAY have commented on it: USEUCOM and DIA (to include their CI division). I know the ppl at USEUCOM and they are smarter than to weigh in on something like that, and point of fact-- they are not focused on such a thing. DIA is dumber than shit, so they may have; particularly Klapper's fuck-boys.

Lastly, we now know that there was nothing there. That means: no intelligence process was applied to the intelligence question. Which means, the executives made it up and put their weight behind it---because it's good to be the king.

So who do we have in the IC that did the deed? FBI, CIA, State, maybe USD(I) with DIA....but that is not to say it had consensus among the intel professionals in these offices....it came from the executives, the cowards that they are.

I am still waiting on persons to put in FOIA for a redacted version of the Coliseum RFI that asked for IC-level comment on the intelligence that would have allowed them to say "The Intelligence Community" believes there was collusion.

And as Porky the Pig says...."Ba--ba-deep-ba-deep-ba-deep-ah-deep-a That's All Folks."

[ASA Vet]

I was not even thinking of the drones at the top. They are neither intelligent, or producers of product.

I was instead lamenting about the deterioration of product quality, at least in the Army, of which I'm familiar.

I can't say anything about USMC intelligence, as I'd never met any of them. You are the first jar head Intel guy of whom I've known.

[Salvavida]

LOL. The same thing would have played out with NGIC and ONI. In fact, it is quite possible the intel departments for the Services rejected the RFI outright with a "Not our mission" comment. Not that I believe there was an RFI to begin with.

But intelligence is a product. And if someone says "the IC assesses that.....," there is a process for that to happen. Even if it went through email to the executives because of the sensitivities.....it would have been recorded in Coliseum to note that it was tasked for an official response, and the responses would have stated (1) who answered, (2) when they answered, and (3) by what means they answered (JWICS email in this case.

Absent that, there is no way anyone can assert that the IC assessed collusion by Trump or any of his associates.

And here is the real kicker: It would have been annotated with a US YES on the request and the product, to include the Intelligence Oversight exemption code allowing them to collect and retain the information.

Absent that....it was blatantly illegal, punishable by 10 years in the can.

[fightu4it]

After a brief read it seems that the Coliseum database would be a security nightmare to run and maintain, no wonder there is a push to reduce the number of intel agencies we currently have.

I do not believe Comey, Clapper, and Brennan’s tracks will be found in that database. They were producing their “own” intel. Comey sent agents to the WH without going through the proper channels, did not tell Flynn that he was a target, and spent two weeks “editing” the agent’s 302 reports before including them in the FISA application.