Posted on 05/29/2020 1:55:38 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
Third degree murder in Minnesota does not require intent, only 'depraved indifference' or involve an inherently dangerous act. Since they have Floyd on tape saying he can't breathe and the officers doing nothing in response then the prosecutor is not going to have much of a problem proving indifference. Since no police department recommends neck restraints of any type for more than two or three minutes then there's the dangerous act. It won't be as hard for the prosecutors as people seem to think.
The cop needs to do time...and I'm not talking 3 months.But he doesn't deserve 20 years in light of this autopsy report.
And he won't get it. The maximum for third degree murder is 25 years. Noor got half that for shooting Justine Diamond, so I don't expect this officer to get anything more than that if convicted.
Have you seen this: Did they even take him to the hospital? This gets screwier every day. Do city cops normally drive the ambulances?
https://twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/1266429879899357186?s=21
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Sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense.
Just asking for a friend...
If he had been tased and thus suffered a heart attack, would the police officer doing the tasing then be guilty of murder?
How does one “bite a thumb off” while unconscious? Inquiring minds want to know.
The toxicology report is not going to remove the officer's knee from his neck.
doesn’t seem unusual
“Resisting arrest when you’re a walking heart attack is a poor choice.”
indeed it is ... but it doesn’t mean you deserve to be executed on the spot ...
You don’t know that. America has failed to teach the difference between opinion and fact.
The dumbing down of America on display. It’s why we have courts instead of mob rule because none of us are as stupid as all of us.
We do know that from the video. He was handcuffed and unconscious for many minutes while significant force was applied.
Stop trying to grab straws in defense of dirty cops. It’s not becoming of conservatives.
One other thing that baffled me for 2 days was the expression on Chauvin’s face the whole time. At first I contributed it to cop indignation. Watch a bunch of similar videos where citizens are telling a cop what to do in a volatile situation. Cop’s almost always, instinctively do the exact opposite of what a citizen tells them, and that’s what I thought it was. But after hearing the autopsy results, I honestly think Chauvin was satisfied with the way it all went down. Only he and God knows how much pressure he was putting on Floyd.
Only when it’s a Deep State operation that requires Floyd be dead in order to trigger black rage, then rioting in order to ERASE THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY Biden’s “you ain’t black” comment IN ORDER TO GET BLACKS BACK ON THE DEMONRAT PLANTATION!
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In previous times, I would have said that’s insane. Now, seeing the way the Democrats conspire... maybe you’re right.
Soooooooo, how is a cop arrested for the guy’s death?? This doesn’t seem right to me to arrest the officer for killing the guy based on this does it? What am I missing here. Heart disease, drugs or alcohol in his system and he dies and it is accused of the knee on his neck caused his death? How??
The last I knew, an “adult male” is called a “man”, and an “adult female” is called a “woman” — assuming they’re human.
Maybe it’s written this way because he was in the vehicle with a couple of non-human animals. Dogs? Cats? Hamsters?
I agree with you. Editing and proofreading have gone out of fashion.
“Should we roll him on his side?” Lane asked, according to the charges.
“No, staying put where we got him,” Chauvin responded.
“I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” Lane said.
“That’s why we have him on his stomach,” Chauvin said."
So, according to the complaint, at least Chauvin and Lane both thought he was high on something. That appears to be the "why" they had him pinned on the ground in such a manor.
It's probably also the reason why Chauvin was charged with a "lesser" crime of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
When it's all said and done, Chauvin is probably convicted, at most, of 2nd degree manslaughter.
Excited Delirium - Excited (or agitated) delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs that alter dopamine processing, hyperthermia, and, most notably, sometimes with death of the affected person in the custody of law enforcement. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest, although the cause is debated. Unfortunately an adequate treatment plan has yet to be established, in part due to the fact that most patients die before hospital arrival. While there is still much to be discovered about the pathophysiology and treatment, it is hoped that this extensive review will provide both police and medical personnel with the information necessary to recognize and respond appropriately to excited delirium." The western journal of emergency medicine 2011 Feb; 12(1): 77–83
This man was in cuffs and face-down. At that point, the officer had a number of options to deal with a troublesome suspect.
This officer chose to kneel on his neck. The fact that the officer had a cocksure smile while taunting the suspect indicates an element of malice and intent. At times suring the video he's looking around at bystanders as if he were part of a street performance.
If four cops can't wrangle a cuffed prisoner into a cruiser, they need to find other work.
Can I use your phone-line to God that gives you these ‘miraculous pronouncements’? Because you sure as heck have no other way of KNOWING what you assert.
They are probably still testing for whatever substances and drugs (including medication) he might have in his system. Interesting point he started saying he was having breathing problems while still standing. Perhaps they should have called EMTs to the scene.
So in other words you want to guess what caused his death instead of waiting for facts.
I’ve seen enough. Whether the cops are 10% responsible for the death or 100% responsible is irrelevant. Dead is dead. No fact is going to emerge that is going to change the basic set of facts we are dealing with. Stand with the dirty cops if you wish. I won’t be.
I never killed anyone, but actually have rendered people unconscious a several times, by temporarily crushing their carotid artery or cutting off their airway. We did it at various levels of Army and Marine combatives. I have seen others in the service do it a number of times as well.
It is very easy to do.
Having done it before, and watched the EDITED Floyd video, you can visibly see the officers right leg/foot swing around behind him, while his left knee remains generally square on the carotid artery location. You don’t need anywhere near that much pressure to cut off blood flow to the brain through the carotid artery.
As well, when the officers right leg and foot swings/pivots around, the only option is for nearly all the officers weight to be placed into the knee, which pressed into the carotid portion of the Floyd’s neck.
I am not at all against the threat of deadly force, or against deadly force, within the split second “continuum of deadly force”.
However, I agree with Dan Bongino on this... The real key term here is “resistance”.
Once a person is arrested with hands cuffed behind the back, face down, *because their hands and arms cannot relieve their own weight from pushing against their own diaphragm and lungs, they are already distressed significantly. Heart attacks sometimes happen in this position, even without weight apllied.
In fact, this is one reason why this ttp is so used, to increase the stress level and vulnerability of the suspect, which serves to keep the suspect subdued.
However, the key word here is “resist”.
Once the person is arrested, and no longer resisting, threat of an officers force can remain, but the actual use of potentially deadly force should not be continuous.
This officer kept his knee pressed into Floyd’s neck for at least 4-5 minutes.
It’s a different yet related idea, but if I were to get the upper hand, and place a person into a simple rear naked choke hold, I can cut off both blood flow and oxygen from that person. They will go unconscious in many cases within 45 seconds. Depends on what I do. If I wanted to kill them, I could just keep the same pressure, or increase lateral pressure for another minute or so, and they are gone.
So there are actually two ideas here. One is cutting off airway, which goes to asphyxiation argument. The other is applying lateral pressure on the carotid, which can absolutely destroy their brain.
These are related, yet the exact pathology is different.
The direct pressure on Floyd’s neck was not on his airway, but on the carotid, as he had naturally turned his head to the side, to try and breath through his airway, and exposed his carotid to the officers knee and weight.
Again,my attitude is substantially colored by this autopsy report.If the report had read "pressure applied to the neck clearly caused the demise of the deceased " I'd support 15...20...or even more.
So you have your mind made up.
Facts are stupid and should be ignored, right?
You should try to get on jury duty, you would be good.
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