Posted on 05/27/2020 5:01:43 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat
It may be less about load carried than load delivered.
A symptomatic carrier walking by you in a grocery story aisle might deliver less load than an asymptomatic caregiver who gets up close and personal to care for an elderly resident of a nuring home.
“In one cruise-ship coronavirus outbreak, more than 80% of people who tested positive for COVID-19 did not show any symptoms of the disease, according to a new paper published in the journal Thorax. “
That was the Diamond Princess, and the “new paper” is reporting stale useless BS. There were 600 cases in the cruise ship, but NY has tested more than 15,000 and Spain tested 70,000. The asymptomatic rate based on studies 100 times larger than the cruise ship are about 50% not 80%.
They didn't.
20 million or so Chinese died. Wuhan needed to both run the steel mills as expedient crematoriums and import FORTY industrial incinerators to dispose of "medical waste".
Also high rates in the first major outside China outbreak in Italy, early on the virus was every bit as deadly as the creators designed it to be.
Then, like all Harbor Freight tools it lost its edge, it mutated into progressively less and less virulent forms.
At least that's my take.
Prove me wrong...
RE:There were 600 cases in the cruise ship, but NY has tested more than 15,000 and Spain tested 70,000. The asymptomatic rate based on studies 100 times larger than the cruise ship are about 50% not 80%.
Source for the 50% figure please.
RE: 20 million or so Chinese died.
OK, could you please at least provide for us a reliable source for this number. I know that the dead in China are several orders of a magnitude than what the Chicoms are reporting, but 20 million? That’s more than the entire state of New York!
Who is giving us this figure?
Exactly, I think China manufactured the news to make it worse there than it really was, knowing it would cause panic around the globe. It worked.
Yes.
China Mobile reported a 21,100,000 drop in the number of subscribers first quarter.
RE: Yes.
No, not W.H.O.
China is trying to downplay their mortality. W.H.O will simply parrot their schtick.
RE:China Mobile reported a 21,100,000 drop in the number of subscribers first quarter.
There is an explanation for this. See here:
(EXCERPT)
So does the sudden drop in subscribers necessarily point to the number of coronavirus-related fatalities in China? Dr. Samantha Hoffman, an analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, says no.
“I don’t think those pieces of information prove anything at this point,” Hoffman told InsideEdition.com. “There are a lot of indicators that the numbers are wrong, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say that the telephone … data is proof of anything. I think that it’s too early to answer those questions.”
The number of cell phone subscribers could have dropped as businesses shuttered and work phone plans were cancelled, according to the Associated Press. Or, migrant workers may have cancelled their phone subscription for the region in which they worked when they weren’t able to return after leaving for their home region for Lunar New Year holidays, an analyst told Bloomberg.
However, Hoffman does believe that the state-released data is most likely not reflective of the real number of cases and deaths related to the coronavirus. “I think that the likelihood of these numbers being falsified is pretty high in my view,” she said. “To what degree? I’m not sure.”
She is not alone in believing that China’s data is falsified. U.S. intelligence officials also reported that China concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, according to both the New York Times and Fortune Magazine.
Hoffman explained factors other than the drop in cell phone subscriptions point to her conclusion, the most obvious one being China’s “long history of lying about death tolls.”
Another reason she believed the numbers were falsified goes back to the failures of China’s social credit system, a ranking system based on the reputation of each citizen and business. “It’s a system that uses technology to augment existing forms of social and political control,” Hoffman said.
Similar to how each person has a credit score in the United States, a Chinese citizen’s social credit score can move up and down depending on their positive or negative behavior, like failing to pay debts, being convicted of crimes or even smoking in non-smoking areas. Someone with a poor social credit score could be restricted from flights or trains, barred from receiving high-speed internet or be rejected from entrance to the most elite schools, according to Business Insider.
In the wake of the coronavirus, citizens were required to report their travel and medical history, and their answer would factor into their social credit score. “In Beijing for instance, anybody returning from overseas failing to report or misreport their health condition would be included,” Hoffman explained.
However, people are also penalized in the social credit system for spreading fake news or rumors, which could be problematic in China, where there the line between the distinction of spreading rumors and alerting the public to a potential pandemic such as the coronavirus is blurred.
“Spreading rumors is such a politicized charge in the [People’s Republic of China]. Are there people spreading false rumors? Yeah, probably there are in every country … but the problem is how do you define that? And for the [Chinese Communist] Party that could just be whistle-blowing,” Hoffman said. “I think that’s actually more concerning because we already know that there were people who were trying to get the word out about the crisis back when it seemed the party was concealing the severity of the outbreak.”
For those reasons, Hoffman said, it’s hard to gauge the real number of coronavirus cases and deaths in China, despite some social media claims that the number of deaths could be as high as ten times the officially reported figure.
Given that we know the Chinese government massively lies, what to you believe the actual death count to be?
Do you believe 20 million Chinese people canceled their lifeline in the face of the outbreak?
I find it plausible that some of that reduction is Chinese businesses canceling their company phones.
Plausible but unlikely. They are only charged for minutes used, and with a temporary shutdown those minutes would be very few. Maybe they would anyway given how tight-fisted the typical Chinese business is said to be.
Still, nothing says permanence and reliability like having your customers call and get a ‘the number you have reached is no longer in service and there is no new number’ message.
A middle aged paralyzed woman in the nursing home here died last night and was posthumously tested positive. Got it from an employee.
The list from my county has been posted and there’s more on it than is being shown on the Johns Hopkins site.
18% were teens to 20s.
14% were 70 and older.
53% male vs. 47% female
Indeed. I have yet to see anything on minimal infectious dose.
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