Posted on 05/21/2020 3:17:38 PM PDT by conservative98
Hey, this is their chance to destroy three white guys. By the time they’re exonerated, they’ll be broke.
I seriously doubt that they will be exonerated. But I agree that they will be broke. in more ways than one. Except the lawyers, there won’t be any winners, just different degrees of losers. But next time they will look before they leap.
“There is usually no limit to how much government prosecutors can spend to convict someone they take a hankering to get.”
As stated earlier, you may win in court, but you will lose at the bank.
There's no evidence in the public record that Aumad Arbrey was a member of a gang...unless you're referring to that gang of half pints he got arrested with for supposedly stealing a 65" television set in 2017.
“By the time they’re exonerated, they’ll be broke.”
Greg, Travis and William are the next three contestants on Let’s Make a Deal, and the game is being played at the prosecutor’s office.
Or, in the case of Greg, Travis and William, the game is played in separate visitor rooms in the jailhouse.
He who talks first gets the deal.
No presence.
No immediate knowledge.
No felony
Try again.
The McMichaels were present when Arbery was in the structure, when it was being recorded, and when Arbery came out and bolted down the road.
There need not be any felony committed.
2018 Georgia Code
Title 17 - Criminal Procedure
Chapter 4 - Arrest of Persons
Article 4 - Arrest by Private Persons
§ 17-4-60. Grounds for arrest Universal Citation: GA Code § 17-4-60 (2018)A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
Were there reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion of the felony of second degree burglary? Felony second degree burglary does not require a taking, but requires an intent to commit theft. Suspicion does not require a firm belief.
2018 Georgia Code
Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
Chapter 7 - Damage to and Intrusion Upon Property
Article 1 - Burglary
§ 16-7-1. Burglary
Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-7-1 (2018)(c) A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the second degree shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years. Upon the second and all subsequent convictions for burglary in the second degree, the defendant shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than eight years.
Were there reasonable and probable grounds to suspect second degree burglary, a felony? The elder McMichael was an investigator, recently retired, for the DA's office and likely knew of Arbery's record for attempted theft. No crime need have actually been committed. The Georgia statute only requires suspicion.
How are you going to prove intent? Nothing was taken. No felony was committed.
There need not be any felony committed. There is no need to prove intent. Nothing need to have been taken.
2018 Georgia Code
Title 17 - Criminal Procedure
Chapter 4 - Arrest of Persons
Article 4 - Arrest by Private Persons
§ 17-4-60. Grounds for arrest Universal Citation: GA Code § 17-4-60 (2018)A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
Were there reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion of the felony of second degree burglary? Felony second degree burglary does not require a taking, but requires an intent to commit theft. Suspicion does not require a firm belief.
2018 Georgia Code
Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
Chapter 7 - Damage to and Intrusion Upon Property
Article 1 - Burglary
§ 16-7-1. Burglary
Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-7-1 (2018)(c) A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the second degree shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years. Upon the second and all subsequent convictions for burglary in the second degree, the defendant shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than eight years.
Were there reasonable and probable grounds to suspect second degree burglary, a felony? The elder McMichael was an investigator, recently retired, for the DA's office and likely knew of Arbery's record for attempted theft. No crime need have actually been committed. The Georgia statute only requires McMichael's reasonable suspicion that Arbery entered the structure without authorization and with intent to commit a theft.
As I am sure you are aware, arrests are made of innocent people all the time. There is no way a prosecutor can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt what the person’s motives were for documenting an unfolding event taking place in the neighborhood. More importantly, the prosecution can not prove that the witness knew what the outcome would be. Not getting involved is not a crime, especially if it would place them in danger
Anyway the GBI Head said they were going to investigate and if additional arrests needed to be made, they would make them. Evidently they decided more arrests needed to be made. But that is their call/ All I can do is agree or disagree.If I agree or disagree it changes nothing.p>
I’m from Georgia, and spent all but 12 of my 52 years here. I have stayed out of this circus because there just ain’t no win to be had for my effort. However, I decided to lend some perspective for those of y’all judging the merits of this based on what the media tells you. I made some calls and got opinions from people in the criminal law biz whose opinion I respect. One of those is a D.A. that went to school with my younger brother. I may or may not have spoken with someone at Barnes Law office who I got to know when I did work for former Gov. Roy Barnes couple years ago. I asked the opinions of 5 different people, 3 black, 2 white. All of them gave basically the same answer. This is what they said.
And I quote, By Georgia law, the McMichaels are not guilty and it’s not even close.. No good D.A. would take this to court. The Lady D.A. from Cobb county was chosen because she is black and female and is not known for her acumen of criminal law. I personally know of a murder case she was part of that I will detail further down, just know it was so bad I couldn’t believe she made D.A. Only way the state wins is with a stacked jury. However,that aint the plan.
This case is being thrust into the spotlight to stir up sh@t amongst Americans, bought and paid for by a certain entity I will not name but it’s not China. This same entity is paying for the blatant disregard of private property going on in my county and neighborhood. My neighbor and good friend was run out his home that he paid 250,000 for 30 years ago and it was flattened, all while his wife was battling cancer. He died of a heart attack a few months later. His was one of around 30 properties the county took from people that round. There is another one coming which will involve way more.
This is being done at the behest of “New Hollywood” and their money. Tyler Perry’s new compound, complete with airstrip, multiple escape tunnels, and $10 million in electrical alone, is around 3 miles s.e. of my house on the other side of Sweetwater creek state park. I know an electrician that worked there the last two years. Sweetwater creek park is the new goto for outdoor scenes in new Hollywood. The ruins and the creek were featured in Hunger Games 2, and many other movies. Before the outbreak, movie companies were filming at the park more days than not, and they take over whole sections of the park when they do.
Tyler is a great guy. Humble, Godly, and grounded. It aint his money paying to stir up shit, it is others in the biz and their intention is to try and hurt Trump. They hate Trump and want him gone because he aint good with pedophillia being legal and open like “THEY” want. They want payback for Trump going after Wienstein, Epstein, and others involved in pedo world. They hate us because we aint good with it either, and we voted Trump in. They are the biggest proponents of illegal immigration, bringing refugees here from places like Somalia, gun control, the destruction of anything to do with the confederacy, and the destruction of anything Christian based in our society. They are why it’s not Christmas anymore, it’s “Happy Holiday”. They demand all this in the U.S. while their “homeland” does the total opposite. It is walled off, no mass immigration, and is the only population more heavily armed than we are.
And before anyone starts slinging mud, these people aint about religion, they about money, power and pedophillia. They born with the right name and bloodline and use it to their advantage. They are wealthy beyond measure, and use that money to pay police and courts to make trouble caused by their pedophillia, murder, and kidnapping go away. Like Heather O’Roarke. When money don’t convince victims to drop charges, they just flee to their homeland where they are protected.
Their intention with this aint getting a conviction. It is to build up highly charged emotions to the point no matter how this case goes verdict wise, one or the other are gonna be pissed off. Judging by their choice of D.A. and other factors, it looks like they want a not guilty verdict, which will be Rodney King Electric boogaloo 2. There are already cases of black people committing violence on white people for revenge. It’s gonna get worse after the verdict. All this while Trump is already up to his neck with corona and democrats attacking him every chance they get.
“They” paid to push a specific narrative that was constructed to stir up shit and glaringly omits many key facts of this case. Specfically the following:
1. There is a history between the two parties leading up to this incident, hostile history, and it’s well documented beyond a shadow of doubt. This is purposely being ignored by the media. Basically, Arbery and friends had been confronted by the father before over the empty house, at the behest of thew owner because he was being robbed blind and did not live close to the place like the defendants did. The father was an investigator for the local D.A., had a solid reputation, and had the blessing of the police and the neighbors to keep out anyone up to no good. Arbery and friends bucked on that, and instigated a back and forth with the defendants that includes threatning to kill them.
This is not being included in the narrative but will come out in court.
2. The defendants were well within their right to be in the area as they lived there. Arbrery and friends did not. The defendants were well within their right to effect a citizens arrest for what they perceived to be a felony. The house and others in the area had become a target and had been getting robbed blind for months. Arbery and friends were without a doubt the source of those thefts, and were very much a target of police. They had them on camera multiple occassions going back months at the scene of burglaries and thefts in then neighborhood. Arbery and friends were warned by police of this and to stay out of the area. This establishes the defendants were not just being stupid racists and Arbery was not an innocent jogger. This establishes a clear legal right for the defendants to try and detain Arbery and to do so armed.
3. Rationlize it all you want, Arbery initiated the violence. He ran into the defendant and tried to wrestle his shotgun away. If I or any rational person are in Arbery’s shoes at that moment, the last thing I’m gonna do is attack the armed man and try to take his gun from him. Arbery did that because he knew he was busted, and was gonna do time. Major time because of gang affiliation. This attack was a clear and present threat to the life of the defendant and he was well within his right to use deadly force to defend himself. Arbery didn’t just attack the dude, he tried to wrestle dudes shotgun from him and shoot him with it. IDGAF how anyone tries to rationlize different, there is no justification for Arbery intitating the attack that changes anything. The defendants were not gonna shoot him, if that was the case, they would of shot him way before he got to their truck. Arbery reacted exactly like he had promised the defendants he would if they tried to stop him. It just didnt turn out like he thought.
Another fact not being mentioned is Arbery’s friend that drove them both to the area bailed on Arbery soon as the defendants showed up. That’s because he was Arbrery’s partner doing all the preceding thefts and burglaries leading up to the shooting, and he too had been warned by police to stay away from the area.
Police dont have the resources to dedicate to petty burglars and thieves full time. Arbery and friends knew that it took police time to show up in the area from their normal patrol spots. It’s rural Ga. That’s why they chose the area to target.
4. Specifically for you doodledawg, use of deadly force laws in Ga dictate that the situation dictates use of deadly force or it doesnt. Defendant shot Arbery three times because Arbery tried to grab dudes gun and take it away. Arbery’s actions and defendants actions 100% support and justify “in fear for your life” defense. Plus, Arbery and friends, who are gang affiliated, told the defendants they were gonna kill them if they tried to stop Arbery and friends from “doing work” in the area.
Dont get me twisted. I hate Arbery died. I hate the whole thing. But I really hate the real motivation behind the false narrative being fed to the public, which is to instigate violence and divide blacks and whites in order to drive the black vote from Trump. To damage and distract away from Gov Kemps decision to reopen which did not turn into the surge of cases and deaths the media was cheering for. And, this hit the public eye right when the first FLynn declass did.
Now, doodledog and everyone else claiming the defendants were motivated by racism, because south Georgia. That’s rich coming from Missourri, but if Arbery had been a white meth head, the defendants would of reacted the same way. This aint about race, it’s about working class folks getting robbed blind of their hard earned possessions for a period of months and doing what it took to put a stop to it.
I live in Douglas county, 15 minutes west of downtown Atlanta. Our sheriff is a black man. Sheriff Pounds. I voted for him and will again, not because he is black, but because he is a good, honorable man that is from here and earned his position the right way. He openly stands up to gangs and violent criminals. Douglas county has long had a reputation as the one in metro Atlanta you dont do bad shit in.
I live in a neighborhood of around 40 houses, all fairly nice split levels that range from $200,000 to $300,000, except for the ranch I live in which predates the rest of the neighborhood. All but 5 of the homeowners are black folks. My neighbor to the right is a younger single black lady that lives alone. Across the street to the right is a single black father and his 14 yo son. Across to the left is a white elderly couple. To my direct left is a white lady that put off retirement to teach gifted kids, and is pushing 70. None of them own guns nor have ever shot one. I do and have, and consider it my duty to defend them and their property.
Our neighborhood is on Lee road, and bordering us to the right is Pete’s chevron, about 350 yards from my house. It was here long before I was born. Never has there been a robbbery or any violent crime there until this year. A coffee vendor, an older law abiding family man, was chased and gunned down in the parking lot in broad daylight.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/man-found-shot-to-death-in-douglas-county-gas-station-parking-lot
No one gave two f#cks about Carl Rupnow being executed.
No one gave a damn when Michael Leroy was shot dead in his car, then set on fire and burned the night of the 1993 blizzard.
No one gave a damn when my high school classmate Benji Bell was hit over the head with a club and died over $200 bucks.
A few months before that a couple of high school kids stuck a gun in a ladies face at Pete’s. They went to Lithia SPrings high school, which is across from Pete’s about a quarter mile away. They lived in Chestnutt log, a lower class older neighborhood with around 150 homes that is right behind us.
The lady reacted like a mom would instead of showing fear, this throwed the 2 kids off and the bolted right for my neighborhood. I had no clue what was going on until Douglas county deputy came rolling by my house and asked me if I had seen the two kids and what they had done. I was outside working in my flower bed. The deputy left headed toward the back of our subdivision. A couple minutes later, the two kids cut across and were headed for the woods about 75 yards in front of my house. I ran in and grabbed my side arm and dialed 911 and told DCSD. I circled around behind the boys and came up on them quietly. I did not have my gun out pointed at them. I did not escalate the situation. They stayed put until the deputy came, who was joined by 4 others and the k9 a few minutes later. I called the D.A. and put in a word for the boys, who had never been in trouble and was put up to the robbery to join a gang.
These boys had heard of me before. When I first moved here, one morning some kids jumped my fence to cut through from chestnut log headed to Pete’s before school. I had a talk with them and let it be known that my neighborhood was not one to f#ck around in, because I will shoot someone. Then I told them anytime they need anything, a bike or car fixed, if they have trouble with the gang, a parent, or a police, to come to me. I took a few fishing. I told them to spread the word because the last thing I want to do is shoot anyone. I told them they could cut through my yard long as they respected my place and things. They call me Mr Billy.
Now, like the defendants in the Arbery case, I will not sit idly by while criminals burglarize and steal. Burglaries turn into home invasions and murders. I will use deadly force to protect my vunerable, unarmed, elderly neighbors. I would of done the same as the MTPcMichaels, but in a smarter way without physically trying to arrest him. He was on foot and police were minutes away. He wasnt going anywhere, and I would’ve followed him until police arrived. And IDGAF what anyone thinks of me. Call me a racist, a jackleg operator wannabe, whatever, I dont care. What I aint is a coward simp.
Armed robbery is rampant in metro Atlanta, as are home invasions, car jackings, just like St. Louis. The state of Georgia gives citizens technically the same right to use deadly force as police. To become a man and father in Georgia you are expected to defend your home, family, and community from threats their safety. We dont have looter problems. We dont expect police to save us, we save ourselves. That’s just the way it is here and that’s the way we are.
All of you castigating the defendants have fallen for the false narrative. You are helping to hurt Trump’s reelection and your fellow law abiding citizens. You are contributing to a powder keg of violence that could explode into real ugly, and you are piling on labeling us white Georgians as racists because Georgia. And, you are adding to the gun grabbers narrative that civilians dont need guns.You are contributing to a society where blacks were already committing violence against white folk with impunity and getting away with it. Knockout game? I cannot believe anyone is passing judgement in this case based on what the media says. I dont believe a damn thing they say and havent since before they castigated Richard Jewell.
Almost forgot, the cobb co D.A. She worked on the following case that I got personally invovled with because one of the defendants was the son of a lady friend I have known since first grade. Austin Humphries is his name. I know Jordan too. Both outstanding young men with jobs and families who were set up to be robbed by Johnny Guevera, who had asked them to drop him off at the apartments on six flags dr. When they stopped to let him out, a robber came up from behind blasting away with a .22 revolver. Jordan got off 1 blind shot with his legally owned .45acp and took off. The shot hit the robber in the hip ripping open the artery. Initial surgery stopped the bleed but it opened back up next morning and dude died.
Let me just say the lady cobb co da was involved with that case, and her legal acumen was.....lacking.
I doubt this is gonna change the mind of anyone. Preconceived notions are hard to dislodge once entrenched. I’m kicking myself knowing I just wasted the 3 hours to write this. But the truth is the truth, in this day and time truth is under attack on many fronts. Someone needs to stand up for truth and might as well be me.
Just know if you stay with your position, and this turns bad after the defendants are rightfully acquitted, Trump loses the black vote because of it and loses the election opening the door for China to come in and do what it wants, know that you were a part of that and cheered it on. Know that you are promoting the idea that white people cannot defend themselves from black criminals because racism no matter who is lawfully in the right.
Have a nice day.
The guy recording video did not shoot anyone.
That's how I interpret it as well.
It’s not a matter of what GBI “believes”, but rather an indicator of what narrative they may try to sell to a jury.
GBI has been given their marching orders: they must get these men convicted of SOMETHING in order to placate the “black community”.
Long-term, though, as the real story gets out, it will result in more white people having negative feelings towards blacks.
Thank you
Thank you for this very informative post as you have put this whole sordid affair in it’s proper perspective.
One can only hope that the truth will prevail given the current lunacy that seems to be prevalent in today’s world.
May God continue to bless you.
Ping.
Ping.
The “victim” was a gang member,
There’s no evidence in the public record that Aumad Arbrey was a member of a gang...unless you’re referring to that gang of half pints he got arrested with for supposedly stealing a 65” television set in 2017.
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Did you notice the red shorts he was wearing in the video of him in the the park? My sources from GA tell me he was a member of the local Bloods gang.
None of which involving grabbing a gun, confronting someone, and shooting them.
The idea that everything should be left up to the "experts" is enervating.
I own a house and along with my father we basically rebuilt the place. We did most of the work but there were still some things we left to professionals because it was safer to let them do it than possibly wind up in over our heads. In retrospect it would have been safer for the McMichaels to have left law enforcement to professionals because they certainly wound up in over their heads with tragic results all around.
You recall the police said if there was a problem, they were to call Gregory McMichaels, the retired officer, correct?
Obviously not their best decision, and one that is probably going to wind up costing the department big bucks in the wrongful death lawsuit.
And really screwed it up in the process. Should have let the police do their job.
The theory that they’d planned to kill him all along and film it (make a snuff film) is batsh!t crazy conspiracy talk.
If that is the theory then it's one I don't share. I have never suggested the McMichaels set out to kill Arbery. They tried to play police officer, screwed up badly, killed a man, and are now facing murder charges that could sent them to prison for life. The fact that it wasn't intentional does not make killing Arbery any better or any worse.
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