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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
He hadn’t stolen anything on that day.

Firstly, we don't know that, and secondly, it's immaterial to the fact that he was the thief who had previously stolen property from the area.

Arbery is no saint, but on that particular day, in that particular location, we know he didn’t steal anything.

The "holding him for questioning" was about the possible stealing. The shooting was about the violent attack.

As for who threatened or attacked whom during the confrontation, that’s not really possible to say because the video a) is terrible quality b) cuts away multiple times c) is blocked by the truck at the moment of the initial encounter and d) has no audio of any words spoken.

A reasonable man will not run into an encounter with a shotgun. They will give a man with a shotgun a very wide berth. It is clear this man ran at the holder of the shotgun, and the holder of the shotgun couldn't bring it up fast enough to defend himself, hence the subsequent struggle.

A man threatening another man with a shotgun at the distances involved would have shot him dead on the first shot if he had been aiming the gun at him.

This cases hinges on what happened when Arbery and Travis McMichael met at the front of the truck. If Arbery simply attacked Travis McMichael without justifiable reason, Travis had every right to defend himself.

There you go. That's what I saw too.

We don’t know what took place at the front of that truck and anyone who says they do is either lying themselves or lying to others, because it certainly isn’t shown on the video.

Have you ever fired a shotgun? Do you know the effect of a shotgun on a human body?

If Travis had aimed at Arbery, Arbery would have been dead instantly. From the fact that Arbery was first shot in the palm, we can realize that Travis McMichael was not aiming the gun at Arbery.

What we can see of the video informs us that Travis was holding the shotgun in the "Low Ready" position, which is normal for people used to hunting with shotguns.

Had it been in the aiming position, Travis would have blown him in half with the first shot.

85 posted on 05/20/2020 2:17:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Firstly, we don't know that

Yes we do. The video from the construction site and the owner of the home being constructed both confirm nothing was stolen. Nothing was stolen by Arbery from the construction site on the day in question.

it's immaterial to the fact that he was the thief who had previously stolen property from the area.

Assumes facts not in evidence. Arbery had never been charged nor convicted of theft of any items from that neighborhood. There may be suspicions about what Arbery may have done there previously, but he has never been arrested or charged, let alone convicted, of any theft of any item in that neighborhood from all the information released to the public so far.

The "holding him for questioning" was about the possible stealing. The shooting was about the violent attack.

Well, he didn't steal anything, and citizens don't get to detain people for questioning. Only when they directly witness or have direct knowledge of a felony being committed can a citizen prevent someone from fleeing the scene of a crime. And we still don't know what happened at the front of the truck.

A reasonable man will not run into an encounter with a shotgun. They will give a man with a shotgun a very wide berth.

You mean like veering hard right to the opposite side of the pick up truck away from the man holding the shotgun while attempting to leave the neighborhood? You're right! That DOES sound pretty reasonable!

It is clear this man ran at the holder of the shotgun, and the holder of the shotgun couldn't bring it up fast enough to defend himself, hence the subsequent struggle.

It is NOT clear that's what happened at all unless you can see through trucks on video. What we see is Arbery running down the center of the street. He encounters the McMichaels who have parked their truck in the middle of the road. Travis McMichael is standing at the driver side of the truck holding his shotgun. Arbery veers right to run past the passenger side of the truck. As he does so, Travis McMichael moves to the front of the truck toward the passenger side.

Have you even watched the video? Because it doesn't seem like you've watched the video. Here's a frame-by-frame breakdown of the video with analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywenRJU0qdE

Have you ever fired a shotgun? Do you know the effect of a shotgun on a human body?

Let me tell you what I've seen. I've seen men get shot multiple times who were so hopped up on adrenaline they didn't even notice the pain or injury until they saw their own blood everywhere. At that moment, the realization hits, the blood pressure drops, and they drop. Whether Arbery was the aggressor or defending himself, I have no doubt his adrenaline was through the roof since he would have immediately realized this was a life and death struggle. That's why it took multiple shots. That's why he didn't go down immediately.

Watch the video. You're creating a lot of imagined facts about what took place in the front of the truck. Look at 1:13 in the frame-by-frame video I posted. Neither Travis McMichael or Arbery are visible at all. The truck completely blocks both of them from the moment Arbery passes the front of the truck. The next time we see them is seconds later, already engaged in a struggle. You may choose to believe the narrative provided by the McMichaels, but the video absolutely does NOT provide ANY view of what took place when Travis McMichael and Arbery first came face to face.

Watch the video and tell me where, exactly, you see anything more than that. Arbery veers right, moves past the passenger side of the truck, Travis moves from the driver side to the front of the truck, both Travis and Arbery are out of sight for a period, and the next we see either of them they're already engaged in a fight to the death. I don't know what exactly happened in the front of that truck and neither do you.

95 posted on 05/20/2020 7:51:55 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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