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A Deep Dive On Judge Sullivan Appointing Gleeson in the Flynn Case
5/18/2020 | kaisersrsic

Posted on 05/18/2020 11:43:31 AM PDT by Kaisersrsic

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1 posted on 05/18/2020 11:43:31 AM PDT by Kaisersrsic
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Superb reasoning. Definitely worth publishing. I would send it to the WSJ op-ed page.


2 posted on 05/18/2020 11:51:55 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: Kaisersrsic

DPA = Deferred Prosecution Agreements


3 posted on 05/18/2020 11:55:42 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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"He asked retired Judge Gleeson to write an amicus brief because he knows that Gleeson will make strong arguments that trial court judges should have more power..."

Yeah, let's just overlook the negative op-ed Gleeson recently wrote about the DOJ dismissal, and the declassified documents that prove FBI and prosecutorial malfeasance. Like everything else in this case...they, and Judge Sullivan want all that covered up too.

4 posted on 05/18/2020 11:58:49 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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In any event, Gleeson is not going to issue his opinion for another MONTH. This is nothing but a ploy to get Trump to pardon Flynn, which Dems hope will damage him. It’s also Sullivan throwing his weight around, just because.


5 posted on 05/18/2020 11:58:59 AM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: Kaisersrsic

I have zilch in the way of legal knowledge, and I do appreciate the presentation of a thought process outside of what we are accustomed to hearing or seeing on the public facing side of it.

But I think (and I feel you agree to at least some degree with your final sentence) that is abhorrent for this judge to use the Flynn case to make any kind of judicial statement meant to garner more power or authority to the job of a judge.

This case against Flynn should have been tossed years ago, and like the Judge did in the case against Ted Stevens where he finally did the right thing but only after the damage had already been catastrophically done to Ted Stevens’ campaign and he lost the election.


6 posted on 05/18/2020 12:07:00 PM PDT by rlmorel (The Coronavirus itself will not burn down humanity. But we may burn ourselves down to be rid of it.)
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It is a golden opportunity to delay the case, to keep Flynn under an unconstitutional gag order for another month or two or three...

What possible judicial logic is there now to keep Flynn under a gag order?

7 posted on 05/18/2020 12:08:22 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Flaming Conservative

It’s a ploy to extend the entire process closer to the election. However, I believe that Flynn’s lawyer will be filing something soon. That’s what she said on television.


8 posted on 05/18/2020 12:08:39 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Kaisersrsic
U.S. v. Sineneng-Smith largely renders this all moot.
9 posted on 05/18/2020 12:09:55 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kaisersrsic

and the Judge has a timeline - must not be adjudicated before November 4th!


10 posted on 05/18/2020 12:14:51 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Kaisersrsic

Is he really that smart?


11 posted on 05/18/2020 12:17:23 PM PDT by 11th_VA (May you live in interesting times - Ancient Chinese Proverb)
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Cutting to the chase and you made a logical argument and I thank you for it - it is solid, we are left with the Comey and Mueller standards and that is outside the law.

Comey - “she (HRC) really screwed up but nobody will prosecute it”. That was not his role and the DOJ does not publicly excoriate people under investigations when they choose not to pursue charges - the FBI should NEVER publicly make any recommendation nor does the director have authority to do so.

Mueller - “we did not find any collusion by Trump or others, but we cannot exonerate him either.” A farce on its face - you either found it or the person is presumed innocent.

Judge Sullivan - “I think it was perjury, but since higher courts have said it is not, nor can it be, I am forced to grant the motion to dismiss.” This is legal reasoning with no foundation in law, precedent, or the facts of the case.

What did these three things have in common? No foundation to do what they did, yet they did it anyways because “Orange Man Bad.” These are all prime examples of the type of judicial activism that is destroying the rule of law in our nation. It existed in the FBI and DOJ. It existed throughout the special counsel investigation. Once again, as many decisions tied to Trump by district court judges, it now rears its ugly head again at a district court.

I have a different desire for the Flynn matter. I think US Atty Jensen should appear personally before Judge Sullivan and lay out his motion to dismiss verbally before the bench because Judge Sullivan is NOT addressing the motion to dismiss on the merits.

Judge Sullivan is NOT addressing the malfeasance documented in the motion to dismiss by DOJ. Instead, he is looking strictly at the case as it occurred at the podium in his courtroom. Is there a precedent for this? A judge is supposed to view the entire case from start to finish far beyond the courtroom. Do all facts of the case matter before a court?


12 posted on 05/18/2020 12:17:27 PM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: edwinland

I tried (and won) one for the first civil trials before Judge Gleeson after he was appointed to the bench in 1994. I also saw him work as the lead prosecutor in the trial that resulted in the conviction of John Gotti (which is why he was rewarded with a federal judgeship. Gleeson was a pretty good judge, who treated the lawyers, litigants, and defendants with respect, which is not always the case in the Eastern and Southern Districts of New York.


13 posted on 05/18/2020 12:22:30 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: 11th_VA

Yes, Judge Sullivan is that smart.


14 posted on 05/18/2020 12:22:56 PM PDT by Kaisersrsic
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i do not think the judge has standing in this case or any case actually...


15 posted on 05/18/2020 12:23:47 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world)
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The DOJ needs to go to the circuit court and get a writ of mandamus then drop the charges and reassign the case to another judge. End of problem. So why aren’t they doing it?


16 posted on 05/18/2020 12:24:29 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight neiyour way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Labyrinthos

In that case you should definitely write up your piece for the WSJ (for example). They may or may not agree with your reasoning but it’s the only fresh take on the issue that I have seen. It’s also quick and tot he point so reads well.


17 posted on 05/18/2020 12:33:16 PM PDT by edwinland
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Here’s how I thought it worked. A complaint is made and the investigators, in this case the FBI, investigate. The FBI then goes to the DOJ and presents their case. The DOJ decides whether to prosecute. The case goes to a court for judgement.

It seems to me that if the DOJ determines that the original prosecution was in error, that the judge should have no say. His role is to render a judgment based on the facts and arguments presented by the prosecution and the defense. If the prosecution agrees with the defense, what then does the role of the court become? I would think that the moment the two parties in contention agree, then the judge has no further role to play.

The judge in this case is attempting to usurp the role of the prosecution.


18 posted on 05/18/2020 12:35:17 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: edwinland

The Constitution limits the federal judicial power to cases or controversies. When the government initiates and the defendant does not oppose dismissal of a guilty plea, the court loses subject matter jurisdiction because there is no longer a case or controversy to adjudicate. At most, the court would still have jurisdiction to impose sanctions for prior misconduct by an attorney or a party or witness.


19 posted on 05/18/2020 12:46:15 PM PDT by Rockingham
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By the way, an outstanding defense of that truth comes at the beginning of Scalia’s dissent in the DOMA case:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_6j37.pdf


20 posted on 05/18/2020 1:00:36 PM PDT by edwinland
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