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Refusing to let the media define the Ahmaud Arbery narrative: Here are the facts we know
American Thinker ^ | 05/13/2020 | Andrea Widburg

Posted on 05/13/2020 6:43:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: IrishBrigade

Entering someone else’s house when your not invited is a crime, yes.


181 posted on 05/13/2020 2:21:01 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Arones

The homeowner has been getting death and arson threats since this happened. Do you think he’s going to go to bat for the McMichael’s and admit theft now? Not to mention what his insurance company is probably saying to him...


182 posted on 05/13/2020 2:27:07 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

Well, it’s interesting they got into this by having cameras inside the unfinished house. Was that to please the insurance company, is that a standard thing to do now?


183 posted on 05/13/2020 2:30:20 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: OKSooner

The ‘grudge’ part may be true if they believe Arbery stole their handgun, but to a former lifelong cop, making a citizen’s arrest isn’t outside the pale.


184 posted on 05/13/2020 2:30:59 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: IrishBrigade

Yes, and it’s STILL TRESPASSING.


185 posted on 05/13/2020 2:32:19 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: OKSooner

Not really. Sr. was standing in the back of the truck, he wasn’t holding a gun on Arbery. Arbery ran up to the truck, the truck wasn’t moving towards him. Arbery could have run to the right between houses or into the woods instead of crossing in front of the truck directly at Jr. who was by the front left bumper. I’m sure Arbery felt harassed by the two men but he could have simply run to a house and asked to call the cops on the two.


186 posted on 05/13/2020 2:39:51 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: OKSooner
“They'll also be asked about their own personal animus against the guy, which you acknowledge, and whether that might have had influence when they put him on trial.”

You have made it quite clear you do not believe in the presumption of innocence.

And now you propose that a talented prosecutor will compel defendants in a criminal case to be witnesses against themselves.

The things you have read in the lame-stream media have caused you to publish some strange things.

187 posted on 05/13/2020 2:49:30 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Amberdawn

Or, if feeling threatened, he could have called 911?


188 posted on 05/13/2020 2:53:45 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Yes, just as the McMichael’s and another caller did to report on him (Arbery). He could have had a good laugh;two cop cars responding to hear complaints from both sides.


189 posted on 05/13/2020 3:00:30 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

Or maybe he didn’t have a phone on him? Is there a clever millennial term for going out in public (”jogging”) without a cell phone? “Going commando,” “going rogue?”


190 posted on 05/13/2020 3:08:48 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Amberdawn

Well, as a casual jogger/home construction aficionado, he could be assumed to want to clear up such a simple misunderstanding with a pleasant discussion with the residents and friendly local law enforcement officials.


191 posted on 05/13/2020 3:14:04 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I have tried to understand this for years. I call it decisional inertia, ie. because you are running you keep running. He makes small changes, like running to the right of the truck away from McMichael who is getting out on the driver’s side. Then he makes another small adjustment to run at him to get the shotgun in front of the truck. But the decision to actually try take away the shotgun was the fatal decision because that put him in the tug of war which cost him his life.

The only safe place for him was on McMichael’s side of the shotgun. As McMichael backs up, you go with him and accelerate over him. When Travis falls over on his back you keep moving and get away! Very risky, but you might survive.


192 posted on 05/13/2020 4:44:00 PM PDT by BDParrish ( Please correct me! I never learned anything from anybody who already agreed with me.)
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To: Amberdawn

How do we know the homeowner is getting death threats?


193 posted on 05/13/2020 4:53:33 PM PDT by Arones (When Leftists are in a minority, then they look for other ways to win.)
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To: Arones

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/owner-empty-house-ahmaud-arbery-allegedly-entered-shooting-might-not-n1205191

https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/man-who-recorded-shooting-ahmaud-arbery-speaks-out-says-hes-getting-death-threats/JKMUG2EHXNCGFIU3QD5N2RD4VY/


194 posted on 05/13/2020 7:29:59 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Trailerpark Badass

God only knows, I don’t want to. I’m sick of all things “millenial”.


195 posted on 05/13/2020 7:32:12 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Why not? If he wanted to check out the construction of the house, why not get a job on a construction site?


196 posted on 05/13/2020 7:33:53 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: BDParrish
I don't countenance any attempt to take a shotgun away from a man holding it. Again, Arbrey could have just ran back the other way. The shotgun looses effectiveness the further you go away from it.

Running towards a shotgun is a virtual death sentence, and I think it is only the man's hesitancy to use it that allowed Arbery to survive as long as he did.

197 posted on 05/13/2020 7:41:32 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Amberdawn

Because he says he’s getting threats?

But he’s a liar, right?


198 posted on 05/13/2020 9:26:20 PM PDT by Arones (When Leftists are in a minority, then they look for other ways to win.)
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To: Spitzensparkin1

And when all is played out,the two armed men will become inmates.


199 posted on 05/13/2020 9:39:24 PM PDT by sport
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To: DiogenesLamp

If i catch a person on the ranch without permission it’s trespassing, if they’re going through one of my buildings it’s burglary. Whether that build is under construction makes no difference.

I guess my opinion of private property differs from some, I protect it and I respect it. I don’t go on another persons property without permission. I share 4 miles of fence with my neighbor to the east, in almost 70 years I’ve never crossed that fence or walked across a cattle guard.

We’ve got 42 square miles of ranch and at least 2 to 3 times a years I’ll find someone trespassing. Usually I get plate numbers, pictures and if they cooperate I get a picture of their ID. With full cooperation I send them on their way with a warning and an escort to the gate. If they fail to show me an ID or give me any gas there will be a deputy waiting at the gate and trespassing charges will be filed. If they have a weapon in the vehicle they will be detain by me and felony trespassing charges will be filed, they leave the ranch in cuff’s and the vehicle will be towed.


200 posted on 05/14/2020 5:35:09 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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