Posted on 05/13/2020 6:43:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
In the Ahmaud Arbery case, the media, as always, are theorizing in advance of the data, and they are doing so in service to a divisive racial agenda. The undisputed facts (excluding the inevitably self-interested statements from the men arrested) are as follows:
Travis McMichael shot 24-year-old Arbery. The question is whether it was self-defense, manslaughter or murder.
Greg and Travis McMichaels (father and son) are white, while Arbery was black.
Videos show Arbery entering a home under construction and Arbery inside the construction site.
Shortly before Arbery was shot, Greg called 911 to report that “There’s a black male running down the street.” He’s then heard to say “Goddamit. C’mon, Travis.”
In a second 911 call around the same time, an unidentified caller reported a possible burglary in the neighborhood, saying, “There’s a guy in the house right now, a house under construction.” Next, the caller said, “And he’s running right now. There he goes right now.” The unidentified caller reported that the possible burglar had been seen before in the neighborhood and had “been caught on the camera a bunch before at night,” adding “It’s kind of an ongoing thing out here.”
An infamous video (above) shows Arbery either running or jogging down the left side of the street. The verb “running” implies escape or aggression. The verb “jogging” has a recreational feel.
A white pick-up is seen further up the road, on the right side, with a man standing by the driver’s side door. Arbery abruptly veers across the street towards the right rear of the truck. A man stands in the truck bed. The video swerves, showing only foliage.
Seconds later, Arbery is running at top speed counterclockwise around the truck’s front right side.
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Quoting reddit? I don’t know where we could possibly go after that.
I wish that I could be confident that the truth will come out here, but I am not.
Gold watch. Diamond ring. A million in cash locked in a briefcase. You know, the usual stuff.
They did this in Baltimore last year. It's a jungle now.
Sure. What lie have you caught them in?
Your admission that Mr. Arbery was aggressively confronted under a direct and absolute threat against his life is now on record. Over swiping a clawhammer, and snooping around on a construction site. Oh, and for stealing a handgun at some point in the past, not today.
I guess the "attacking the guy with the shotgun" has somehow been overlooked.
*THAT* was endangering someone else's life.
I believe I did mention he attacked a man, maybe you missed it or didn’t see the video.
“They did this in Baltimore last year. It’s a jungle now.”
The facts back you up: https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-maryland-homicide-2020-shooting-police-violence-city-crime
But distant consequences - like facts - are easily ignored by liberals.
I *quoted* reddit? Don't think so. Simply linked a picture hosted there, and which anyone can look at for themselves to make a determination.
So how about it? Does that look like "boots" in the picture? It sure looks like boots to me, but I want your unbiased opinion on the point.
I wish that I could be confident that the truth will come out here, but I am not.
We can only do what we can, and you can tell me the truth of your opinion about his footware in that picture.
Boots or tennis shoes?
One crime is enough to get arrested, although I personally believe if you called the cops on some guy snooping around on a construction site they'd actually be a little bit miffed at you for wasting their time.
To get killed over takes a certain sort of crime, involving the life or personal safety of another human being, none of which have happened in this situation except the McMichaels escalating the situation and confronting Arbery aggressively, directly, and under a clear threat to his life, as you yourself admitted.
He attacked the man who was threatening his life.
You first. What lie did you catch the homeowner in? That’s where this all started.
They confronted him and threatened his life like you admitted for snooping around on a construction site and running down the street, isn't that right?
Oh, and for being the guy that they suspected of stealing a handgun from them, like you admitted also.
I saw your little effort to insert that bullsh*t language into your question, and I almost broke it out for a separate response, but I chose to deliberately ignore it, thinking I would focus on the sailent point instead of just another trivial attempt to misdirect the facts.
No, it was not reasonable for Arbery to charge the man with the shotgun. What was reasonable was to either sit down or run away.
Over swiping a clawhammer,
Deceptive misdirection again. He was not shot three times with a shotgun for stealing a hammer, or for tresspassing. He was shot three times with a shotgun for attempting to forcibly remove said shotgun from a citizen making a lawful arrest of a fleeing criminal.
You are trying to make this about a clawhammer, and that is an effort to promulgate a deliberate lie. The attempt to stop him was about tresspassing, but the shooting him was about a violent attack from him.
He wasn't threatening his life until Arbrey ran at him. If he didn't want a threat returned, he shouldn't have given one.
Criminal needed to sit his @$$ down, but you know he had to be a particularly stupid one to attempt to attack a man with a shotgun.
Darwin Award winner there.
And, is it possible that the McMichaels' prior experience with Arbery could have held sway in their decision to escalate the situation and threaten his life, but you've already answered that question in the affirmative.
You seem to be having trouble with this thing called a "timeline." You know, a series of events that occur over a distributed period of time.
Burglaries since at least October. Guy kept coming back, so it was a repeated series of crimes.
To get killed over takes a certain sort of crime, involving the life or personal safety of another human being,
Exactly, and one such crime is assaulting a man with a shotgun and attempting to wrest it from him. Very bad crime, and he paid an appropriate price for committing it.
Arbery aggressively, directly, and under a clear threat to his life, as you yourself admitted.
You're attempt to stuff words in my mouth with your annoying and deliberately deceptive question does not constitute an "admission."
Arbery was not under threat to his life until he ran at the man with the shotgun. The man with the shotgun and his father with the holstered revolver would not have shot the man if he had stopped, or if he had ran the other way.
As I explained to you, I didn't say he *WAS* lying, I said he had a good motive to lie. I implied that I wouldn't be surprised if he *WAS* lying. I also said that he probably didn't actually know if anything was stolen because the property that was likely stolen (boots, hammer) didn't belong to him anyways, but instead belonged to some workers that worked there.
Do you think homeowners keep up with the possessions of their hired help?
But you asked about the McMichael's lying, and I said "Sure." Show me where they lied about something.
So I went first. It's now your turn. Where did the McMichaels lie?
If you show me that you yourself are a liar by continuously repeating your false claim, then I shall have a better understanding of why you feel the need to defend this violent thief.
Answering the salient part of your question is not accepting the false premise you inserted into the first part of it, which I consciously chose to ignore as the bullsh*t it was.
And i'm trying to get you to accept my answer of "violently attacking a man with a shotgun."
*THAT* is the reason Arbery got shot. How hard is it for you to grasp this seemingly clear fact?
Also, i'm not going to continue refuting your attempts to stuff your own bullsh*t false account into my mouth. I've told you I regard your efforts to sneak that verbiage past the discussion as deceitful, and I think you are fully aware of it now, and only continue it because you are really losing this argument, even in your own mind.
But the desire to believe what we wish to believe is strong, and I suspect you will persist.
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