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To: woodpusher

Being that he left with nothing, I would say no. I don’t buy he was an innocent jogger, but those 2 guys chased him down, 1 had the shotgun drawn; they caused this death. They weren’t defending their property. They chased him down.


34 posted on 05/11/2020 10:07:49 PM PDT by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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To: vpintheak
Being that he left with nothing, I would say no. I don’t buy he was an innocent jogger, but those 2 guys chased him down, 1 had the shotgun drawn; they caused this death. They weren’t defending their property. They chased him down.

I am unsure what having a shotgun drawn, as opposed to undrawn, really means. For handguns, undrawn would generally mean holstered.

GA Code § 16-11-102 (2018)

§ 16-11-102. Pointing or aiming gun or pistol at another

A person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he intentionally and without legal justification points or aims a gun or pistol at another, whether the gun or pistol is loaded or unloaded.

Leaving with nothing is not necessarily significant. He was interrupted and left running. The statute authorizing a citizen pursuit and arrest does not require that the subject actually took anything. It requires that the McMichaels had reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. That they were not defending their property is irrelevant, as long as they had reasonable and probable suspicion of a felony. The question is not whether Arbery committed a felony, but whether the McMichaels had reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. I am really addressing whether the McMichaels have a plausible defense.

If Arbery submitted, and were alive, his defense to a charge of burglary or criminal trespass would be a lack of sufficient evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. It is possible to wind up with a dead body and no crime. If the McMichaels had the requisite suspicion, no party to the shooting comitted a crime. Arbery may have thought he was being accosted by two klansmen. Arbery grabbed the business end of a shotgun and bad things happened.

37 posted on 05/12/2020 12:37:21 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: vpintheak

Do you even know what the word drawn means?

If the shotgun was drawn on him, how was he able to attack?


38 posted on 05/12/2020 3:03:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Fascism and socialism are cousins. They both disarm their citizens.)
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To: vpintheak

well maybe thats why crime is so high. rumors of being chased down and shot have gone buy the way side.


39 posted on 05/12/2020 3:17:56 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: vpintheak

we don’t know what he left with, or did, as neither of the videos are complete imo. I think that’s why Trump said today to beware of the gap in the videos (about this case). Would he say that if he didn’t already know there’s a gap? time will tell


41 posted on 05/12/2020 7:41:57 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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