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Will Depression II Dictate Trump's Fate?
Townhall.com ^ | May 1, 2020 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 05/01/2020 10:23:23 AM PDT by Kaslin

As of April 30, the coronavirus pandemic has killed 61,500 Americans in two months and induced the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.

And if history is our guide, the economic crisis, which has produced 30 million unemployed Americans in six weeks, may prove more enduring, ruinous and historic than the still-rising and tragic death toll.

The Spanish flu of 1918-1919, the deadliest pandemic in modern history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide, a third of the planet's population, and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including 675,000 Americans.

"Adjusting for the difference in the size of the American population then and now," writes Chronicles columnist Roger McGrath, "that number will be equivalent to two million deaths today."

Yet, the Spanish flu did not shut America down.

As the Spanish flu hit and spread in 1918, the U.S. raised, trained and equipped an army of 4 million men, sent 2 million soldiers to France, broke Gen. Erich Ludendorff's army, and turned the tide in favor of the Allies.

By December 1918, Doughboys were arriving in New York harbor -- having sailed home from Europe's battlefields on flu-infested transports.

As the scourge continued to take its toll, Woodrow Wilson sailed to Europe, participated for months in the Paris Peace Conference, returned, went on a national train tour to sell his Paris treaty and League of Nations, and suffered a stroke.

In September 1919, Gen. Pershing led his victorious troops in victory parades in New York City and Washington. This writer's father, a teenager then, was in the D.C. crowd.

In the history books of the 1950s, World War I, Wilson and the Senate battle over the treaty he brought home and U.S. membership in the League of Nations loomed far larger than the Spanish flu that had killed as many U.S. soldiers as the Kaiser's armies.

But the Great Depression, to which our current crash is now being compared, did not last for just a year like the Spanish flu. The Depression lasted from the stock market crash in October 1929 to the eve of World War II.

Economically, it was devastating. Unemployment during the 1930s never fell below 14%. In 1937, it was back up to 17%.

At the bottom of the Depression, the stock market had lost 90% of its value, and the GDP had fallen 50%. Not until the end of FDR's second term, in 1940, when the U.S. began to gear up for the war, did America really begin to pull out of it.

FDR's New Deal, however, while it did not cure the Depression, was a historic political triumph for both the president and his party.

From 1930 through 1946, Democrats controlled both houses of the Congress every year, elected and reelected FDR four times and gave him a 46-state landslide in 1936, losing only Maine and Vermont.

What this suggests is that the economic devastation we have brought upon ourselves to battle the pandemic may prove more lasting and historic in its impact than the terrible losses of human life to COVID-19.

Politically, the Depression worked for the Democratic Party like no other event in history. After the Crash of 1929 under Herbert Hoover, the GOP held the House and Senate for only four of the next 50 years.

From 1932 to 1968, the GOP lost the presidency in seven of nine elections. Only Dwight Eisenhower's two terms in the 1950s interrupted a 36-year reign of the Democratic Party in the White House.

Richard Nixon broke the Democratic dominance and took back the White House for the Republicans in 1968. But it would still take another dozen years before the GOP won control of either house of Congress.

President Trump predicts a V-shaped recovery, the greatest boom in U.S. history. But it is well to recall what happened to the GOP when it failed to deliver in the last Depression.

Just as the Civil War was the defining event of the 19th century, giving us 13 Republican presidents from Lincoln to Hoover and only two Democrats -- Grover Cleveland and Wilson -- how and when we emerge from this new Depression may tell us which party not only wins 2020 but also dominates the new era.

And as one sees the growing divisions along political lines, with conservatives and populists calling for the country to be opened up, and liberals and Democrats calling for continued sheltering in place, both seem to realize the stakes.

Democrats may proclaim that they are eager to see the pandemic come to a swift and early end and the economy to return quickly to the robust state it was in last February.

But the cold political interests of the Democratic Party today are what they were in Hoover's time, to pray that the president fails, and fails badly, so that they inherit the estate.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antisemite; covid19; fdr; spanishflu; trumpadministration
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1 posted on 05/01/2020 10:23:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

No because of the nature what has happened there will be no election.


2 posted on 05/01/2020 10:25:03 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Kaslin
God, I'm sick of people people beating the dead Spanish Flu horse


3 posted on 05/01/2020 10:25:45 AM PDT by Salamander (Flying Colours....)
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To: Salamander

Need an edit function...ignore one people.


4 posted on 05/01/2020 10:26:16 AM PDT by Salamander (Flying Colours....)
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To: Kaslin

Articles like this just scare me to death, we need Biden now. Just think how wonderful it would be if coalition ticket of Biden/Romney were created. It would be the greatest thing that ever happened. /s/


5 posted on 05/01/2020 10:27:39 AM PDT by redfreedom
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To: DarthVader
No because of the nature what has happened there will be no election.

That would be bad because then it would be President Pelosi on Jan 20, 2021. That can't happen. Just the sound of it offends me.

I think the great depression 2.0 will have an effect but not that much. Trump is by no means a shoe-in because there are so many brainwashed/indoctrinated commie-minded people in America today which all by itself is extremely disappointing.

The work of the communists has been going on for over a hundred years in America. At some point it will have to be dealt with in a severe and final way. How bloody that is will be anyone's guess... The big question is where will all the commies and their sympathizers be deported to?

6 posted on 05/01/2020 10:32:00 AM PDT by Boomer ('Democrat' is now synonymous with 'corrupt')
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To: Kaslin

The measurement from now until november should be IMPROVEMENT and not the current rate of unemployment, gdp, etc.

We already know it was the virus that tanked everything.

Once the economy is reopened, the issue is improvement per week, per month, etc.


7 posted on 05/01/2020 10:33:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Boomer

No Pelosi is going to be ineligible as she is one of the reasons we won’t be having it. The election is not going to be stopped by Covid-19 but other things far more serious.


8 posted on 05/01/2020 10:34:00 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Kaslin

We are only six months from election day.

I think that the major issue will be the virus and the related economic downturn.

The Democrats will push a narrative that Trump did not react swiftly or strongly enough to the threat of the virus. And they will blame the economic downturn on Trump and his allegedly not properly dealing with the virus and fallout from the virus.

The results of the election will hinge on, how many voters will believe the Democrat fiction that Trump was inept at handling the virus, that everything that happened was Trump’s fault, and that only a good Democrat such as Joe Biden can save us.


9 posted on 05/01/2020 10:36:20 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: redfreedom

I just checked TV for a look at the local noon weather and saw a sickening Biden ad, all about the lost jobs and devastation under Trump. As if Joe wouldn’t have shut the economy down. As if .. This is going to be tough to take.


10 posted on 05/01/2020 10:36:30 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: Boomer

You assume they will be given quarter or a POW camp. Not likely in my platoon.


11 posted on 05/01/2020 10:37:29 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: DarthVader

“No because of the nature what has happened there will be no election.”

Really? Because of a virus that is no more deadly than several instances of flu we have had in the past several yrs?

You’re hysterical.


12 posted on 05/01/2020 10:37:31 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Kaslin

We’ll find out in November, won’t we?


13 posted on 05/01/2020 10:38:04 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Kaslin

It’s killed 61,000 depending on how you count. Personally I see enough evidence to discount that number.


14 posted on 05/01/2020 10:38:49 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: DarthVader

As I mentioned on another thread, your posts are rather fascinating.

I believe only the surgical application of force can save American freedom from the machinations of the commiecrats.

This may simply be a matter of Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, et. al. being perp walked out of the Capitol by US marshals and placed on a one-way flight to Gitmo.

Trump has a superb sense of timing ... when will he be ready to make a decisive move?


15 posted on 05/01/2020 10:42:48 AM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: Boomer

I don’t think deportation is an adequate answer for all the commies & commie sympathizers in America, but am not sure what an adequate answer should be. If ever a shooting war would arise from this then I’m sure an adequate answer would be found, but I’m pretty sure that most would not want that to happen. Not having an election & having to go with a Pres. Pelosi is enough to make any thinking person absolutely gag.
That would certainly signal the end of our nation.


16 posted on 05/01/2020 10:46:02 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Kaslin

NO.

It is up to TWO miles of broken glass a Trump voter will crawl across naked to cast vote for him.


17 posted on 05/01/2020 10:47:48 AM PDT by LeonardFMason (Lou Dobbs)
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To: billyboy15

Sounded more like humor to me, than hysteria.


18 posted on 05/01/2020 10:48:40 AM PDT by Codeflier (Covid-19 taught me: Two types of "conservatives", frightened safety seekers vs. freedom lovers)
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To: billyboy15

You’re an idiot who does not read all the other posts!!

This is not the virus I’m talking about boy!! It is other things that are far more serious of a law & order nature.


19 posted on 05/01/2020 10:49:28 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

We’d better be terrified with the Dems plans to steal the election through all sorts of voter fraud, including ballot harvesting and mail in voting.


20 posted on 05/01/2020 10:51:10 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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