Posted on 04/26/2020 6:46:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
On Wednesday Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, who own seven Accelerated Urgent Care facilities in Kern County, Calif., gave a press conference to local media. They extrapolated from their own COVID-19 data, along with data sets nationwide and globally. Using this data, their own medical knowledge and information gathered from conversations with their colleagues around the country, they presented a compelling case, which included unreported health risks related to sheltering in place, for ending the severe shutdowns.
Both doctors understand and support the initial reactions to the COVID-19 outbreak by the federal, state and local governments. It was a novel virus and there was very limited information. However, now they assert that the data is telling them that the disease pattern of COVID-19 is more like the flu. Dr. Erickson phrased it this way, “Millions of cases, a small number of deaths.” He specifically noted that the difference in the number of deaths between Sweden, with limited restrictions, and Norway, which locked down, is not statistically significant.
"Lockdown versus non-lockdown did not produce a statistically different number of deaths. That is the bottom line," said Erickson.
Throughout the briefing he emphasized that decision making going forward needs to be based on data, not predictive models. This echoes comments made by Dr. Anthony Fauci during press briefings. And we have all watched the predictive models be radically adjusted as actual data has been loaded into them.
Their data extrapolations, using a method similar to the one the CDC uses for influenza, suggest that death rates for COVID-19 are similar to those for the flu. According to their analysis, both Kern County and the state of California have likely experienced a widespread viral infection.
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Fear not... saith the Lord.
I NEVER SAID THAT.
You'd have been more than right if you'd said that. Coronavirus death rates are actually LOWER than the flu.
RE: Sweden 8 million people not a good data source.
Sweden has over 10 million people.
You are the one with the tinfoil hat.
“You can see the exponential growth”
I don’t think you understand the phrase “exponential growth”. Just because you have 10 then 100 doesn’t mean that is exponential growth. Those You need to see 100 turn 1000 and then 10,000 to 100,000 to a million. We didn’t see that.
As to you claiming the silly measures taken prevented that growth, answer why other viruses such as the flu and common cold continued their growth during the same time.
Still not a good data source it’s like taking data from NY and saying it’s a model of the country.
You can see the exponential growth that was happening before the lock-down - then it went immediately flat because we all stayed home.
Maybe I’ve been looking in the wrong places. I have not seen that. Can you point me to that?
Correct. What you ALWAYS see is a logistic “S” model.
If everyone wore REAL masks. But the governments are hoarding them for favored people. Bandannas and cloth masks are just theater.
I’d say you’re the black helicopter type.
This virus and its release by China is real. I don’t consider that tinfoil. It is a biological, economic and political attack.
How America deals with it, and with China, is real.
Pretending it doesn’t exist or doesn’t act like viruses do, is tinfoil.
America will come back, and with NOT ONE RED CENT going to China.
Do you have a problem with that?
This is the post you called tin foil hat.
The except everything in it is right.
” How did all those predictions become fact? I mean, people treat the “millions are going to die!” predictions as fact when they weren’t. They were meant to scare people into submission and it worked. They willingly destroyed their country.”
“If they had no influence then people like Trump would not be so bothered by them.”
Ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha...
So you’re saying Trump is bothered by name calling.
Ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha... ha...
You crack me up. Trump comes up with some pretty creative nicknames for the scumbags. A lot of us have even better ones.
I say mock the pieces of crap til the cows come home and then take a short break and carry on.
Being quick to assume ignorance isn’t a sign of intelligence. At the front side of the curve, when we didn’t have a whole lot of data it was exponential.
It’s not a hard concept thank you. The data from NYC shows the same...and no it’s doesn’t have to go from 1000 to 1000000 in days, just progressive derivatives.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page
And my God - “silly measures”? People like you are reckless and are willing to risk everything for everyone. You have NO IDEA how bad this could’ve become without the “silly measures” - you talk from ignorance. Go tell that to NYC. How long did the crematoriums in Wuhan run 24/7? Why does China have draconian measures, to this day, to keep it under control.
Wake up...
You don’t see it at the national scale because it was diluted with curves from elsewhere.
The NYC data definitely shows non-linear growth at the beginning, especially the death rate.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page
If you can’t follow the discussion, don’t join in.
But, yes, to look at what you posted, along with the rest of his screed, that is pure tinfoil.
I was countering his germ theory idiocy when he cranked out that spew.
There is a virus. It is real. We can already see that it acts very much like over 100 years of learning about disease tells us it would. To deny this is tinfoil.
As I stated to you, I do believe that this virus is part of what is also a political and economic attack from China.
This needs to be dealt with, but not by pretending that we don’t know how viruses operate.
America will come back, and with NOT ONE RED CENT going to China.
Do you have a problem with that?
By saying they want to flatten the curve, at least they are admitting there is a curve but their model ignores any factor that causes the curve in the first place.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Even if the masks are 40% effective, then they become much more effective if two people are wearing them.
In an imperfect world reasonable compromises make sense.
Perfection is irrelevant in such a world.
What was posted in #25 is exactly right. Fake predictions of 2.2 million dead were used to shutdown the US economy and put over 22 million (and counting) out of work.
That is FACT.
As for China, exactly how do you propose to totally stop trading with China?
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