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Uncertainty About COVID-19 Warrants Our Humility
Townhall.com ^ | April 24, 2020 | David Limbaugh

Posted on 04/24/2020 4:35:26 AM PDT by Kaslin

COVID-19 is so new and information is changing so rapidly that it is difficult to separate fact from fiction and truth from partial truth. Like everyone else, I'm just trying to make sense of the evolving information.

Many of us have been monitoring the daily reports measuring the number of deaths relative to the number of cases. We've been treated to crash courses in lay epidemiology via daily press briefings and voluminous articles.

We understand that the administration and state governments have been trying to "flatten the curve" of the coronavirus by slowing its spread. The main purpose, as has now been clarified, is to reduce the velocity of the contagion so that our hospitals and necessary equipment are not overwhelmed, which would result in more deaths.

Though many didn't grasp this initially, flattening the curve doesn't greatly reduce the overall number of deaths, except for those saved by reducing the burden on hospitals and others saved by lifesaving therapeutic treatments and vaccines developed with the extra time flattening provides.

Many have suggested that the estimated death rates have been grossly overstated because the numerator (number of deaths) has been exaggerated and the denominator (number of people infected) has been understated.

They say the numerator was inflated because many deaths actually caused by the flu were attributed to COVID-19, and because every death of a person with the virus in their system was treated as a death caused by the virus even though some other accompanying illness may have been the proximate cause.

The denominator was likely understated because so many people had the disease before we were aware it was circulating here; many were asymptomatic and never got tested; and many who were symptomatic assumed they had the flu. Several recent studies have confirmed, through randomized antibody testing, that in certain locations, exponentially more people were infected than we'd assumed.

Stanford University researchers found that Santa Clara County in California had between 50 and 80 times more infections than officials were reporting. A separate antibody study showed that the number of coronavirus infections in Los Angeles County could be 28 to 55 times higher than the official count. A just-released study estimates that some 2.7 million New Yorkers may have been infected -- more than 10 times the state's confirmed cases to date.

Obviously, we'll know more when antibody testing is conducted throughout the country. But these tests strongly indicate that the virus is less lethal by orders of magnitude than previously known.

Many argue that this emerging data proves we overreacted by shutting down our economy and wreaking such financial devastation. If we knew in December what we think we know now, this may have been true. Until comprehensive testing is performed and the data analyzed, however, we won't be sure of the virus' lethality. I suspect it will be more than that of the flu. If so and it is in fact as contagious as we fear, we might think twice before making final judgments as to what should or shouldn't have been done.

I think the critics' skepticism is based on their distrust of other experts who have ginned up fear over apocalyptic climate change based on computer models. Knowing how much disinformation those experts have spread, people are justifiably suspicious of what now appear be wildly erroneous coronavirus models that scared the world into a global economic shutdown.

People are still debating whether these initial models factored in mitigation measures, but we can certainly fault modelers for their absolutism and arrogance, and we can use this experience to challenge the credibility of climate change modelers on their projections.

So where does it leave us?

While there is still much we don't know, I am less cynical than some about the mitigation measures we've employed to slow the spread. If I weren't, I'd be freely moving about in public without fear of catching the virus. I do believe we have slowed the spread and saved lives.

But I am also very saddened by the immeasurable economic devastation and suffering. While some may be too readily dismissing the threat of the virus, others are unspeakably insensitive to the financial disruption and pain people are experiencing, and callous about mitigating it.

We have to be prudent moving forward. Even with these new findings on lethality, we have nowhere near approached herd immunity, so the virus is still highly contagious. We don't want to immediately reopen every aspect of our society if it would cause the virus to rebound, which would make the economic pain we've already suffered pointless -- and much worse. So, I think the administration is wise in recommending a phased-in approach and deferring, when practicable, to state authorities.

I trust that the more we learn and the more testing we have, the better we'll be able to combat the virus if it resurfaces in the fall and in subsequent years. Scientists will be armed with more widespread antibody tests as well as tests to determine whether people have the disease so that contact tracing can be used to find who they might have infected. Officials will also have developed efficient systems and strategies for preventing flare-ups from igniting full-blown outbreaks.

We can then employ a more targeted approach against the virus that will not cause economic devastation, as research confirms that the virus is far more deadly to certain groups: the elderly and those with certain underlying health conditions. Until we develop herd immunity, less vulnerable groups can freely move about, and more vulnerable ones can self-isolate.

As we reflect on this crisis, we must also reflect on our precious constitutional liberties and consider how quickly they can be compromised in actual or perceived national emergencies. While individuals and businesses deserve to receive relief funds from the government because it forced them to suspend their economic activities, we must now soberly consider our national debt and the existential threat it represents to the republic. Perhaps we will become more responsible about our out-of-control federal spending, which can only be rectified by entitlement reform -- a subject we can no longer afford to avoid.

Pray for America and those hurting from this pandemic.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: data; datacollection; davidlimbaugh; wuhancoronavirus

1 posted on 04/24/2020 4:35:27 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Simply put both of these things can’t be true. Extrapolating from the Tests for the virus itself done and tests positive 80% of the country does not have the Virus. Extrapolating from the LA data 100 Million people have had the virus. Pick one.


2 posted on 04/24/2020 4:45:16 AM PDT by wastoute (Anyone who believes PsyOps are not involved has never met a PsyOps Officer.)
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To: Kaslin

“Many have suggested that the estimated death rates have been grossly overstated because the numerator (number of deaths) has been exaggerated and the denominator (number of people infected) has been understated.

They say the numerator was inflated because many deaths actually caused by the flu were attributed to COVID-19, and because every death of a person with the virus in their system was treated as a death caused by the virus even though some other accompanying illness may have been the proximate cause.”

This entire country if not the world has been ROYALLY f’d over by the agenda driven scumbags on the Left.

The Pearl Clutchers here on FR are as despicable as the P’s OS on the Left for their constant fear mongering.


3 posted on 04/24/2020 4:49:24 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Kaslin
I am less cynical than some about the mitigation measures we've employed to slow the spread.

Including your brother.


4 posted on 04/24/2020 5:29:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

PA’s death rate related to nursing homes reaches 59%. Rate of death for all others...... 1.8%.

Open Up PA. Wear masks, practice good hygiene. No need for social distancing if you are wearing a mask.

Back to work.


5 posted on 04/24/2020 5:34:01 AM PDT by SteelPSUGOP
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To: Kaslin
Public Health England: All Cause Mortality Surveillance 23 April 2020 [Complete document at link. Image is just header and graph. All the supporting data is at the link.]
6 posted on 04/24/2020 5:36:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SteelPSUGOP

Yup. When this bug gets inside a nursing home it’s absolutely deadly. It can wipe people out by the dozens. We definitely need a focus on that.

We also need to pin Andrew Cuomo to the wall as to WHY New York State was REQUIRING nursing homes to take COVID patients back. Yesterday he appeared to be clueless.

BTW not an unusual thing for nursing homes. I know a woman who has worked as a nurse in one for many years. Whenever someone would get the flu they’d institute lockdowns of floors and wings. At that delicate stage of life the flu can do you in pretty quickly.


7 posted on 04/24/2020 5:59:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Travis McGee

Good Morning, McGee.

Enjoying the new hockey stick I see.


8 posted on 04/24/2020 6:03:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Do you think the UK is just making this up? It's a big UK govt hoax? They are putting out false data on total deaths? They won't be caught at this, if they are?

Keep in mind, this graph is just TOTAL DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES. It averages about 10K deaths per week from ALL CAUSES.

How do you explain the spike in TOTAL DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES plotted year after year on a weekly basis?

That is, the total weekly deaths above the expected 10 to 12K deaths?

Car crashes? Heart attacks? A big earthquake that wasn't reported?


9 posted on 04/24/2020 6:09:37 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Read the complete one-page report for yourself, if you have any intellectual curiosity.

I suspect you don’t, and won’t.

“Public Health England: All-Cause Mortality Surveillance 23 April 2020”

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/880812/Weekly_report_mortality_w17.pdf


10 posted on 04/24/2020 6:12:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin
If I weren't, I'd be freely moving about in public without fear of catching the virus.
Except that's illegal. It's a crime to freely move about in the state of Maine. Unless you are moving about for an essential purpose.

As for fear of catching the cooties, I don't like to get sick. I don't like having the flu. I don't like food poisoning. I don't even like common cold, runny nose, headaches, or the runs. Am I afraid of them?

And what about the other deadlies, like cancer, heart attack, traffic accident. Afraid? Do you avoid driving, out of fear? How about standing up in the bathtub?

The models used here were, in hindsight, ludicrous. I think we seriously suspected that two weeks ago, and CERTAINLY, the experts suspected or considered that possibility before the global shutdown.

11 posted on 04/24/2020 6:20:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Travis McGee

Great plot. Assuming it’s all true, then it puts the lie to the theory that this disease has been circulating since September, everyone has it and we are getting close to herd immunity.

Of course one still has to deal with the antibody tests which either show that this has been around for a long time or else that there is a 1% false positive rate.


12 posted on 04/24/2020 12:16:49 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

At least we’re beginning to get some better ideas about the shape of this thing. If we don’t reopen the economy to the extent possible, we’ll be cascading into a great depression, and much of the 3rd world will starve.


13 posted on 04/25/2020 5:16:33 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
The shame of it is that we didn't immediately get on with the things that we needed to do to effectively control this and get back to normal.

We could have gone the way of Japan or SK or Taiwan or something. It would have been inconvenient. but...

Instead we get all the flubro arguments even though everyone who has tried not taking it seriously has been set back on his tail. Even Sweden where social distancing is a societal norm and probably why Ingmar Bergman films are so depressing are talking about closing the bars.

Part of the flubros argument is that this has been running around for a long time and everyone already has it. They are letting the CHICOMS off the hook and maybe even creating the claim that we started it all and owe trillions in reparations to the CHICOMS. The exponential growth in all the world plots tells us within days of when community spread of the Chicom Flu began.

14 posted on 04/25/2020 7:17:35 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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