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The Collapse of the Oil Industry
Townhall.com ^ | April 23, 2020 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 04/23/2020 5:21:58 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 04/23/2020 5:21:58 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

What’s the inverse of “Let them freeze in the dark”?


2 posted on 04/23/2020 5:26:08 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Kaslin

Give it a year. When we start seeing the consequences of the fallout from this whole mess, including governments just “printing” and handing out trillions and trillions of taxpayer money to keep things from utter collapse, oil will be hitting $100 a barrel again. But that is because a big mack will be $50 and the dow will be at $100,000.

The future price inflation baked into this whole thing is about as obvious as anything happening in real time right now.


3 posted on 04/23/2020 5:26:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: Kaslin

Except for any existing contracts and of course have to be honored I surely hope we are not importing any oil at this point or natural gas.


4 posted on 04/23/2020 5:27:01 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Be still, and know that I am God...Psalm 46:10)
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To: cuban leaf

$100,000 = 100,000 points.


5 posted on 04/23/2020 5:27:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: Kaslin

A Saudi financier was once asked, “what’s your biggest investment?”

At the time he said, “the oil we haven’t pumped out of the ground, yet.”

And now?


6 posted on 04/23/2020 5:27:34 AM PDT by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Kaslin
All this pain and needless suffering would be avoidable with a simple oil import tariff $30.00/bbl until this "crises" is over. A tariff would both protect us workers and raise revenue WIN- WIN.

TARIFF OIL IMPORTS NOW

7 posted on 04/23/2020 5:29:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: cuban leaf

Inflation is a great way for governments to get out of debt. Pay tomorrow’s dollars for yesterday’s spending.

If I was the cynical type, I’d say they were doing it on purpose.


8 posted on 04/23/2020 5:29:39 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Kaslin

We are going to be Argentina VERY soon.


9 posted on 04/23/2020 5:31:01 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: cuban leaf

Give it a year. When we start seeing the consequences of the fallout from this whole mess, including governments just “printing” and handing out trillions and trillions of taxpayer money to keep things from utter collapse, oil will be hitting $100 a barrel again. But that is because a big mack will be $50 and the dow will be at $100,000.

The future price inflation baked into this whole thing is about as obvious as anything happening in real time right now.

...
That doesn’t seem to be very Sound Logic. I’m not sure if you’re trying to be funny or not.


10 posted on 04/23/2020 5:31:14 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Be still, and know that I am God...Psalm 46:10)
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To: Kaslin

A Democrat/Socialists wet dream is underway right now. The virus is being used to destroy the worlds economy and put everyone at the trough of government. The future looks bleak from my seat.


11 posted on 04/23/2020 5:31:43 AM PDT by devane617 (Kyrie Eleison, where I'm going, will you follow?)
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To: P.O.E.

Inflation is a great way for governments to get out of debt. Pay tomorrow’s dollars for yesterday’s spending.

If I was the cynical type, I’d say they were doing it on purpose.


I’ve been of that mind for a very long time - monetizing the deabt. The problem comes when the countries you owe the money to object. In fact, there have been discussions right here on FR about the political fallout of the country doing just that - especially regarding china.

Imagine this being our way to “justify” it without China being able to call foul.

i.e. you may be exactly right.


12 posted on 04/23/2020 5:33:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: cuban leaf

“Give it a year. When we start seeing the consequences of the fallout from this whole mess, including governments just “printing” and handing out trillions and trillions of taxpayer money to keep things from utter collapse, oil will be hitting $100 a barrel again. But that is because a big mack will be $50 and the dow will be at $100,000.

The future price inflation baked into this whole thing is about as obvious as anything happening in real time right now.”

I’m afraid you’re right. Nobody knows what the long term effects of are going to be, but it’s not going to be good. I thought we might walk away from it till the price of oil collapsed.


13 posted on 04/23/2020 5:34:38 AM PDT by suthener
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To: cuban leaf

In the mean time we will get the Vat Tax, while there is still any value in the dollars we might have saved. It will be “needed” to shore this up, before it collapses utterly.


14 posted on 04/23/2020 5:38:26 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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I talked to a contractor that I used to know and he’s a stone cold liberal. We were talking about the oil crises and that he was glad that the oil companies were hurting. I had to remind him that a lot of oil workers were going to lose their jobs.I used to inspect concrete structures for oil infrastructure. The steel rebar and such. The oil workers are some of the hardest working men in the world. But my contractor friend is totally brainwashed and there’s no gittin through. Waste of time.


15 posted on 04/23/2020 5:41:22 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: Kaslin

Home heating oil here in PA is around $1.60/gal.
I pay them, they don’t pay me to take it.
At the pump, they want $2/gal. Walmart is about 15 cents less.


16 posted on 04/23/2020 5:42:10 AM PDT by Buttons12 (Bad flu got you down? Take Anecdotal for fast relief!)
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To: P.O.E.

It isn’t so “great”, right? You still end up as the government of Venezuela.


17 posted on 04/23/2020 5:42:52 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Buttons12

The Gubmint takes their cut. Otherwise it would basically be free.


18 posted on 04/23/2020 5:44:11 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: Kaslin

“”” It was cheaper for producers to pay people to take it away than it was to store it themselves, as capacity had been reached. They were offering almost $40 per barrel to take the oil.”””


What Derek Hunter writes is hogwash.

What happened was a classic long squeeze (and that is a very, very rare occurrence)

There are two players in the Futures Markets. Longs and Shorts.

Those who are Long have bought a contract to take delivery in a certain month. Those who are short have sold a contract to make delivery in a certain month.

There were those people who play the futures market game who had bought a May 2020 crude oil futures contract with the expectation the price would go up and they could sell the contract before expiration of the contract for a profit.

Well, it did not work that way. Prices continued to drop and they held onto their long position until last notice day. At that point the short guys told the long guys: “Where do you want us to deliver your oil?”.

Well, the long guys operating out of their bedroom had no place to store the oil, so the long guys were forced to sell their contract at prices as low as -$37.00.

Bottom line: If a person does not know how the futures markets work, then they had better stay away. As they say in the trade: “Many clocks got cleaned”.

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19 posted on 04/23/2020 5:44:34 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

“Well, in the time of quarantines and stay at home orders, no one needs more gas right now, or oil for any of its other applications”

end the lockdowns everywhere.


20 posted on 04/23/2020 5:44:58 AM PDT by MAGAthon
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