Excess Deaths in England

wattsupwiththat.com ^ | 4/22/2020 | Christopher Monckton of Benchley

[brookwood]

"In the United Kingdom, total excess deaths are now causing real alarm among statisticians. The 18,516 deaths recorded in England and Wales in the week to April 10 are the highest weekly total since winter 2000 – and we are not in winter now. There 7996 (or 76%) more deaths than the mean weekly death toll for the time of year."

[brookwood]

Monckton is a climate skeptic but not a Covid19 skeptic https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/21/revealing-chinese-virus-excess-death-graphs-coronavirus/

[brookwood]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/21/revealing-chinese-virus-excess-death-graphs-coronavirus/

[palmer]

We have the exact opposite situation in the US https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

We have over 68,000 fewer deaths than expected since Feb 1. Most of that is due to the economic shutdown and hospitals stopping surgery. Surgery and other treatment is necessary, but it results in roughly 20,000 deaths a month immediately that would otherwise die later without the treatment.

[Zhang Fei]

This is a pretty big deal. In the average year, the flu accounts for 2% of all deaths. If the excess deaths are entirely due to the coronavirus, that means it’s at least 50x more lethal than the flu. Within that period, the new bug has killed more people than the entire roster of people killed by cancer, heart attacks, strokes, traffic accidents, suicide, et al, *combined*.

[mbs6]

Likely to be offset by a lower death rate later on. CV19 is probably compressing deaths of people already on their last legs. Once that population has been consumed, CV19 won’t have many left to terminate as it’s not particularly deadly to the population as a whole.

[Zhang Fei]

[We have the exact opposite situation in the US https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

We have over 68,000 fewer deaths than expected since Feb 1. Most of that is due to the economic shutdown and hospitals stopping surgery. Surgery and other treatment is necessary, but it results in roughly 20,000 deaths a month immediately that would otherwise die later without the treatment. ]

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Actually, we don’t. The UK has a centralized government where all money flows from the center. The US has a federal government where money is collected and spent locally. This means that the UK has all local data collated in pretty much real time, whereas the federal government has to beg for data from local authorities who may or may not deign to report theirs on a timely basis or at all.

[elcid1970]

If you are British, you are expendable. And don’t you dare criticize Islam, mate.

[palmer]

From that web page: It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated.

While the death information might be delayed in some cases it is not delayed by much.

[Montaignes Cat]

good point, well expressed

[laplata]

“The 18,516 deaths recorded in England and Wales in the week to April 10 are the highest weekly total since winter 2000 – and we are not in winter now”.

18,516 deaths in a week? False. England has that many TOTAL deaths.

Very poorly written story and worth the trash can.

[dfwgator]

[fireman15]

Monckton has gone full in on this one. He has written a series of articles where he has been using the entire array of tactics (chery picking data, intentionally misleading charts and graphs, etc...) from “climate change alarmists” to hype this thing to death. I guess even “Lord Monckton” wants to be loved by our leftist media. I will never take anything he says seriously again... he is like the English version of the National Review.

[VanShuyten]

Just a few weeks ago, there was a report about how total deaths had dropped in Italy and Spain, but now there are excess deaths?

[dadfly]

i think ***excess deaths*** is one of a few legitimate statistics, among many illegitimate ones. this needs to be explained. i hope someone there can break the uk cause of death numbers down in detail.

their death (18,100) numbers look in line with italy, spain and france, though their testing looks low (theepochtimes). wonder what italy, france and spain’s excess death rate is?

[fireman15]

that means it’s at least 50x more lethal than the flu.

I guess you are not keeping up with the latest research based on antibody tests that have been coming out one after the other, that are showing conclusively that it is much more prevalent than assumed but no more lethal than the typical flu. So take your breathless hysteria and get back to watching CNN and MSNBC... they miss you.

[Zhang Fei]

[While the death information might be delayed in some cases it is not delayed by much.]

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That would depend on the definition of “much”. Death certificates are being delayed for over a month. Tack on that the usual reporting delays, exacerbated by work from home orders compounded by a lack of infrastructure for it, for data security reasons, and we may be looking a lag of two months before the feds get their data.

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https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/20/delayed-death-certificates-interrupting-municipal-benefits-union-leaders-say-1278267
[Among those who couldn’t secure the paperwork quickly were an 18-year-old son whose mother’s body was held in a hospital for two weeks because of a funeral parlor backlog and a 19-year-old college student whose single mother died, Penny said. Another family has been seeking the form since April 1, she added in an interview on Friday.

“I have family members who are waiting over a month for a death certificate, so that delays any other benefits they could possibly get,” Penny said. “On top of losing your loved one, now you are concerned with health insurance.”]

[JayAr36]

Probably adding the Muslim killings into the results.

[Zhang Fei]

[I guess you are not keeping up with the latest research based on antibody tests that have been coming out one after the other, that are showing conclusively that it is much more prevalent than assumed but no more lethal than the typical flu.]

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I am keeping up. All indications, including from our resident epidemiologist, are that this test is picking up common cold antibodies. Another way to put this is that the test is worthless.

[brookwood]

“*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.”
From your link

[brookwood]

“as it’s not particularly deadly to the population as a whole.”
OMG what nonsense. I don’t “particularly” want to spend 2 weeks in the hospital, even if I don’t die. I don’t like hospital food, intense pain, that sort of thing.