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Half of Coronavirus Doctors Have used Hydroxychloroquine: Survey
National Interest ^ | Today | BY JEFFERY MARTIN

Posted on 04/20/2020 11:39:27 PM PDT by cba123

During Monday's coronavirus task force meeting, President Donald Trump emphasized the importance of U.S. manufacturing in keeping supply chains secure during the coronavirus pandemic and beyond, particularly in the area of pharmaceuticals.

China has imported pharmaceutical products to the U.S. since the 1990s, becoming the United States' second-largest exporter of medications and medical supplies. However, the Trump administration has looked at ways to diminish China's role in the U.S. pharmaceutical supply chain.

Defense Production Act policy coordinator and Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro said in March he was working in collaboration with Trump on an executive order that would incentivize American production of pharmaceuticals.

(Please see full article, at the link)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hydroxychloroquine
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Yes! Yes! Yes!

Thirty years too late, but it's a good start!!!

1 posted on 04/20/2020 11:39:27 PM PDT by cba123
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Sorry.

I decided not to post this one.

Sorry. Can you please cancel this?

Sorry.

Thank you.


2 posted on 04/20/2020 11:44:34 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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Half of Coronavirus Doctors Have used Hydroxychloroquine: Survey 

But if you use it it will make you go blind and your heart will explode. Or you might hang out with jazz musicians. I saw it on Cuomo's film "Hydroxy Madness".

3 posted on 04/20/2020 11:49:25 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parachutes are only anecdotally effective due to the lack of significant double blind testing.)
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:)

I am sorry. I was going to post this article, but then changed my mind. But i did not close this window.

Then tried to post another one instead.

I accidentally posted this one.

Aaargh.

:)

Sorry.


4 posted on 04/20/2020 11:54:42 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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Sorry.

I messed up this posting.

Please cancel.


5 posted on 04/20/2020 11:57:30 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: Tunehead54

Sorry everyone:

I reposted this correctly here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3837274/posts

Newsweak has all their titles in caps. I think that is honestly sort of rude, so i changed it to lower case, but I missed that word.

So the word “ SUPPLY “ is in caps.

Sorry about that.

:)


7 posted on 04/21/2020 1:09:56 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: cba123

It needs to go beyond an EO. We need legislation that’s harder for a future Clinton or Obama to reverse.


8 posted on 04/21/2020 1:13:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: cba123

About a week ago I read the following post on a science board.

“T.O. says:
12 April, 2020 at 2:17 pm
Gov. Cuomo’s press secretary Melissa DeRosa says that a study into the use of Hydroxychloroquine to fight COVID-19 in New York State will report preliminary results on April 20.

I’m an investor, so I have absolutely zero incentive to listen to idiots like Trump, zealous French doctors, or those equally idiotic Democrats on the opposite side of the aisle. I make decisions based on data, firsthand knowledge, and potential financial gain–wax poetic about my apathy toward the cause, I don’t care.

On April 20, I’m hedging I will be buying into my shares. I’m hedging this because the markets will see a sudden and consistent recovery. From what I’ve been told by some physicians/friends in center city, the HDC/Z/Doxy regimen is responsible for dramatically reducing ICU/intubations.”

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Today the announcement that New York had sent the first tranche of HCQ data to the FDA and CDC

https://news.yahoo.com/york-governor-cuomo-says-20-161303075.html

The interesting thing about the following doctors survey is that over a three week period the global use of hydroxychlorquine kept increasing.

https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/sermo-reports-week-3-results-globally-17-point-increase-in-covid-treaters-who-have-used-hydroxychloroquine-33-50-and-azithromycin-41-58/

Hope the FDA will provide info on this initial tranche of the New York trial and not make us wait until the whole trial is completed.


9 posted on 04/21/2020 1:58:38 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: cba123

Half the doctors inn America graduated in the bottom half of their class.


10 posted on 04/21/2020 2:10:12 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: cba123

I think it’s fair to say that some doctors are using it. The largest producer of hydroxychloroquine, India, just shipped out 500 tons of the stuff to over a hundred countries.


11 posted on 04/21/2020 2:29:49 AM PDT by Jackson Brown (Accomplished without a barrier.)
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To: Jackson Brown

Don’t forget the Zinc. They have to have the Zinc. For the Zinc Pores.


12 posted on 04/21/2020 2:35:20 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Cathi

Since everyone else has an anecdote on these drugs, here’s mine:

So many people have anecdotes. I have one as well. I was a Field Grade Major my first day, essentially, on Active Duty because my contract from Medical School was one of the “old ones”. I got time toward promotion (but not retirement) for my ten years of Med School and Residency which my “peers” at the time didn’t get because my peer group had done three year residencies and gotten out after their 4 year obligation was up. So I outranked EVERYBODY on my first day.

My first assignment was as OIC of a fairly good sized outpatient Army Community Health Clinic (ACHC which is part of a larger entity, a MEDDAC or Army Medical Activity). My boss was the commander of Gorgas Army Hospital. Since I had no clue what the hell I was doing he gave me an “Admin Officer” who was undeniably the best Medical Service Corps Company Commander of a Combat Medical Company in the Army at the time. His “Year in Command” of a Medical Company he had been the Commander of The Medical Company at Ft Irwin, the “Home Team” at the “National Training Center”.

He was the finest military officer I ever had the pleasure to meet. He was a black guy who had been a high school football star and a weight lifter. He could do 4 sets of 10 at the Bench Press with 400 pounds. I know. He used to ask me to spot him. I told him I would but he should consider that if he needed ME to lift 400 pounds suddenly he was gonna be really out of luck.

For my first year in Command he was my right hand. He lead me to “leadership” and I am grateful to this day. So here I was, 7 years of Neurosurgery background, having forgotten just about everything I ever learned about “Primary Care” as a med student. In charge of a large (4 military doctors, a Pediatrician, seeing over 100 visits at sick call by 0700 every morning) and I had to “relearn” Primary Care.

I didn’t know crap about Malaria drugs and here I was, THE GUY whose name goes on thousands of Malaria drug prescriptions. My Admin Officer repeatedly tried to get me to “launch an investigation” of these drugs. I repeatedly told him he was nuts. No way would The Army ever take either of us seriously. But he persisted every time the subject came up for a YEAR until he finally DEROSed.

So what put such a “bee in his bonnet”? I arrived a few weeks after the War was over. He had been the Company Commander of the Medical Company at the National Training Center. Every man in his Company that HE had trained for a year were all deployed in support of the 82nd Airborne. He still had the Airborne Division Patch on his BDUs when we first met. His company were War Veterans. The story he told me, that so turned him against these drugs was that they had to take the drugs before deployment and continued during the deployment. An E3, one of “his men”, after three days of combat and some 6 days of drugs, after the shooting was all over and they were called in from the Field and assigned Barracks, this “reliable, good natured, never had a problem in a solid year at Ft Irwin”, upon arriving in his “room in the barracks” put the muzzle of his SAW in his mouth and used his toe to push the trigger.

His vehemence about a drug that I could frankly give a crap about was something I never forgot and it did affect my opinion of these drugs although I did go on to put my name on thousands of prescriptions as soldiers were sent to “The Sandbox”. As I sat through lectures over the decades from Internists who are fascinated by things like “Hemolytic Anemia” I knew one of the BIGGEST causes of hemolytic anemia, a life threatening complication was these drugs.

So my anecdote you may consider to be trivial but I would suggest you look at the “package Insert”. Under “Side Effects” by organ system there it is. “Psychiatry: known risk of suicide.” It may just be in the “0.02%” range but there it is. Add that to the 0.02% range risk of hemolytic anemia and you see why I say, if the CFR is actually in the 0.8% range and the REAL risk of the drug is just a TAD higher, say 0.06or 0.08% IF the drug even works it is going to be hard to demonstrate that. Add ALL the sources of risk of the drug, suicide, hemolytic anemia, arrythmia and you can see how it would come to even higher, possibly even into the 0.2% range.


13 posted on 04/21/2020 2:42:19 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Cathi

Still feel like putting a lot of money in these drugs?


14 posted on 04/21/2020 2:45:14 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Cathi

I, thankfully, never had to take the drugs. Not required in “The Canal Zone”. But my Captain friend did and he told me, “There’s something wrong with these drugs. I took it and I know, they “made me feel very different”.

Now I would never hold myself up as an “expert” on Molecular Biology (not even Homeopathic Molecular Biology), hell, my copy of Cooper, Bloom, and Roth is a dang First edition. But it would make sense to me that a drug that “inhibits vesicle formation” just MIGHT have an influence on certain neural pathways that DEPEND on vesicle uptake for “quenching” the signal of synaptic transmission the release of presynatptic vesicles containing neurotransmitter depends on. These pathways are known to be critical in things like emotion and behavior. So it would not surprise me in the least to discover these drugs make some people “feel different”.

But what do I know. I’m not an expert like the flubros.


15 posted on 04/21/2020 3:18:08 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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...and before anybody jumps in and claims “You could have never been the OIC of a large Army Clinic, that’s a COLONEL Billet.” And you would be right, while simultaneously being WRONG. “When Deployed an Officer may be tasked to a billet TWO GRADES above his current grade.” It WAS an 0-6 billet. Imagine that? My FIRST DAY on Active Duty? It’s the damn army. They really don’t care. Do the job or get out of the way.


16 posted on 04/21/2020 3:22:47 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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I am very sorry that young man killed himself, but I wonder if “three days of combat” may have played a role. Combat veterans kill themselves at twice the rate of the national average. They go through hell. They are heros.

I won’t need to read the insert.....I took the drug daily for arthritis for many years. Rheumatologists prescribe it precisely because of its safety record.

I find it interesting and disconcerting all the concern that has been raised recently about the drug when it has been prescribed for decades for non-fatal indications. If the risks from this drug are too high to be used in a vicious potentially fatal viral pandemic with no approved treatment it sure should’t be given to reduce pain and swelling in arthritis. And yet the big concern voiced is that if they use it for covid there won’t be enough for the other indications the drug is prescribed for.

A Rheumatologist (head of a Lupus group) who has 800 patients sent the FDA a letter giving his history with the drug and disputing adverse effects concerns. He has never even had to hospitalize a patient in 40 years and his patients take the drug daily.....not just for a 5 day covid protocol.

I’ll share my trauma story with you from this pandemic so far.....seeing the pictures of wrapped bodies literally stacked on each other in refrigerated trucks in a hospital parking lot. Tens of thousands of people unnecessarily dropping like flies being denied hydroxy and instead being put on ventilators that doctors now admit are ineffective (80% fatality) and even harmful. Knowing that so many of them could have been helped actually gives me nightmares.

Here is the website for the renowned French virologist....as you can see he has lost only 12 of his 2999 treated covid patients.

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/


17 posted on 04/21/2020 3:45:08 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: wastoute

You need to read more carefully. The poster (not me) whose post I copied talked about investing in the overall market based on the drug results (not in hydroxychloroquine...the pills cost 50 cents each which is 5 bucks for the whole protocol.) Apparently the poster thinks it will be “a game changer.” (forgive the humor.)


18 posted on 04/21/2020 3:50:53 AM PDT by Cathi
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Did you. Notice that the Journal Dr Raoult did his research for sent him a Rejection Notice “...does not meet our standards...”. That Journal is the IJAA. Did you notice that in order to get the study published he had to submit it to “Travel Advisory”?

I submit, there has yet to be a study published that demonstrates a reduction in mortality. If the “True CFR” is in the 0.8% range there never will be. If the “True CFR” is in the 1% range it will still be difficult. If Plaquenil is NOT “ten times safer” than Chloroquine (which I STRONGLY SUSPECT), as advertised it becomes even more difficult. I have never disputed the claim that 99% of people taking the drug could do so safely. My suspicion is that 99% is going to align pretty well with folks who could survive the disease just fine with IV hydration and Oxygen support. We are talking about events that are way out on the margin, both in support of and against.

Seeing the drug touted by a lawyer in a white coat claiming a fraudulent “Stanford Affiliation” REEKS of charlatanism and that pretty well convinced me. If it looks like a quack and quacks like a quack it’s probably a quack.


19 posted on 04/21/2020 4:05:40 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Cathi

Here’s the real problem. FReepers are being barraged by a blizzard of crap and some of them are falling for it. As a long time freeper it is disconcerting to see people fall for such crap. Especially the “Zinc, you have to have the ZINC!” Crap. Look up “Zinc Homeostasis” or “Zinc Metabollsim”. I could point you to links but then you could accuse me of bias. Go ahead. Search for yourself. You cannot change the interstitial concentration of Zinc IN ANY WAY. It’s called “Homeostasis”. Just like you can’t change the concentration of sodium and for the same reason

Now you may say “That’s not true, you can radically lower your Sodium levels by drinking ten gallons of water!” And you’d be right and that will kill you BECAUSE it lowers the sodium.

I honestly expected more from freepers.


20 posted on 04/21/2020 4:21:29 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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