Posted on 04/18/2020 2:12:07 AM PDT by Ymani Cricket
Thanks.
So like I said, we shall see what Dr. Montagnier.
At his age I doubt he'll be doing much more than offering opinions on others' research, like this, but I hope he's well.
Yes, it is.
But the good professor didn't produce or attempt to publish anything so I don't see how blacklisting applies.
He had nothing to do with producing the paper in the Indian journal as far as I know.
Professeur Luc Montagnier : Le virus covid19 est une manipulation humaine
The threat of throwing one out of positions (as happened to the guy who wore the wrong comic shirt to announce landing a space probe on a comet) up to and including Crick — means, OTHER people will dance to the proper tune. Which is why Dr. Luc isn’t getting support.
My French is nowhere near good enough to wade through 38 minutes of interview, but I'm confused.
Is his opinion based on his own analysis as a Nobel winning scientist or on his reading of an Indian research paper that was almost immediately withdrawn?
Let me go through slowly and get back with you.
Oh for Pete's sake.
This is by far the biggest event in virology (and many other fields) in our time and it will be the subject of thousands of PhD dissertations.
The idea that any professional would avoid confronting the evidence now because of political correctness, knowing with certainty that the truth will come out, is just conspiratorial nonsense.
Now do global warming!
If you remember the reports coming out of China of Doors being barred and the very aggressive quarantines, that tells you how fearful the CCP was of this virus for reasons we can merely speculate since they destroyed all the data. (or hid it). Montegnier is saying that the virus, over mutations will go back to its more natural form and reject the inserts. Maybe this is not the best comparison but I will use it nonetheless:
Take an organ transplant as an example. There is always the risk of rejection. The tendency is towards rejection because the natural flow of things doesn't like it. Hence we use medications to keep liver transplants from failing. An organ may work properly for a time, then the body rejects it. This is kind of what he was saying. He pointed out that in the West, particularly in the US, the mutations have already caused the virus to become less lethal. Now I know we are publically taking credit for having such a great healthcare system and the best doctors and the best microbiologists, etc. etc. But the fact is that a chief reason our death rate is so much lower than, say Italy, for instance, is because of the mutations or evolutions.
When you look at places like Italy, it has been much speculated why such a higher death rate. Examples have been an older population, a health system that is not as good as ours, etc. But the factor that isn't being looked at is that Italy was closer to the first generations of the virus as you had direct contact with Chinese citizens directly from affected areas.
He says that it should, in theory, evolve back down to a less pathogenic variation of the original parent because the segments will have mutated.
Now, back to the parts that were more difficult to translate. What I seemed to understand was that he DID in fact pass on his work to a couple of peers. But could you really call them peers? Here is a man passing work onto those who are maybe 20, 30, or 40 years his junior have have nowhere near the experience in the field as he does, and that coupled with wisdom. He said outright that they were haughty and arrogant and dismissive.
That didn't seem to bother him. AS you get older, I suppose, from self experience too, you just don't give a rats behind about being right or "correct". You know in your own heart and mind you are right about something and all you can do is laugh about it. He also pointed to the paper done by the Indian researchers, which were top notch by the way.
But pressure, very hard pressure was put on to silence them (and himself). Why? He speculated on the "why's" and I don't know if the translation was perfect, perhaps a native French speaker can tell us, but he seemed to suggest, and these are my words, that not only does the ccp have long tentacles, but that there are other countries that were involved in funding these projects at the Wuhan lab that do NOT want the truth to be known. There are other reasons as well, that we could say, perhaps would be a National Security concern so I will stop right there and leave it be.
But I will tell you that I believe he is on the money at least 85% and I believe him. The comments under the video that were in French were very supportive of him and noted how the media were very aggressive towards him and were trying to twist his words, put words into his mouth, and were disrespectful to him, including the host. The vast majority supported him for being brave and courageous enough to stand up to ridicule by the world community and they were proud of him.
At one point the host asked him why he waited so long to speak on this, and he said it takes a lot of time to come to conclusions and be thorough in your work an analysis. A point that should be duly noted because within hours and a even a day after he gave the interview there were already "analysis" articles and papers denouncing his findings. He sent a long time evaluating, yet so quickly they know he is wrong? Bottom line is, we need to respect his experience and wisdom or we are the fools. The man is 87. And he's still at the top of his game. No Biden here. So that's it in a nutshell. There is more but I don't want to get into it without a better translation of some technical terms related to molecular biology. People will believe what they want.
See my above notes on the interview with Prof. Dr. Montegnier. In my opinion, this man is the ultimate peer.
It is like giving an important thesis to middle schoolers.
I get that but we're talking about an 87 year old former Nobel Prize winner with nothing to lose as far as I can tell.
It's not like he's worried about getting a grant next cycle.
What's stopping him from presenting his genomic analysis for criticism?
You speak french?
Thanks very much for that. Nice job summarizing.
"You know in your own heart and mind you are right about something and all you can do is laugh about it."
But that's not how science works. It requires data and rigor.
How does knowing you're right help advance knowledge if you don't present your data and analysis?
I've nothing against the professor but I agree with the old saw that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
His claim is truly radical - that humans spliced HIV RNA into this virus - yet he provides no way for others to verify or point out the flaws in his analysis.
The one paper that was pre-published was quickly withdrawn after others pointed out serious flaws. And the flaws aren't just matters of opinion, they're matters of data. For example:
"The paper claimed to find four unique inserts in COVID-19, all of which are similar to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1, which is "unlikely to be fortuitous in nature," suggesting that the virus might have been designed.However, three of the inserts mentioned in the paper were found in a known coronavirus carried by bats, and the fourth was very similar to the bat coronavirus, Yang said. None of them is from the HIV, Yang said."
Now Yang may be wrong or biased or whatever, but the way to refute the argument is to show that the insertions really are unique to HIV and not naturally occurring in the bats.
But no, Montagnier opts to go the conspiracy route and claim the Indian researchers were "silenced" rather than use Occam's razor and assume they were just chastened.
Again, I'm sure he's a great guy and clearly very accomplished, but in my view lacking data his opinions and speculations aren't enough to carry the truly outrageous claim he's making.
That is why the plans being made to phase back in the same economy.
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But that's not how science works. It requires data and rigor.
Those were my words not his. I don't think he cares what you think is what i am saying. He wasn't yet presenting all of his data, do you think he doesn't have it? Why try to force him to show his work?
Now, he says, and this is a very rough translation and some paraphrasing to make it flow to English as best as I can (open for correction):
The host asks him what purpose there would be for someone to do this. He answers: "It is not clear to me, i'm not here to expose anyone - my work it is to explore facts that is all. :: and im not accusing anyone i don't know who did this and why. the possibility it may be that they wanted to finally do it there, we dont know - we wanted to make an AIDS vaccine. so we took small sequnces of the virus and installed them in the larger sequence of the corona viruses..."its a weird ribbon in a certain place we fixed small hiv sequences and its small sequences are just for nothing ? want to say there is the possibility to modify, for example, what is called antigenic sites ie if we want to make a vaccine - well we can very well modify the protein that exposed for the vaccine by a small sequence coming from another virus."
I can only assume that he will show the details when he is ready, he indicated he is still working on it. So we shall see right? His body language and eyes and manner says he at least believes what he is saying.
Now this is me speaking. There are a lot of things that have been earth shattering in the past. Look what man has done. We have created bombs powerful enough to blow our own planet in half. We can put probes on planets, we can travel in space. Who wouldda thought??
we have worked down to the very basic building blocks of life and taken them and played with them like Legos. We have gene therapy, we have stem cell research ad therapy.
So what's so earth shattering that the Chinese wanted to get ahead of the rest of the world and create a vaccine for HIV? (if that were the case) Suppose then, the work got interrupted by an accident, (known or unknown) and something got out before it was completed and all that work has been removed from the lab and hidden along with Dr. Shi Zhengli, and Chen Wei, a Major General and top military biological weapon expert who has taken the helm of Wuhan Institute of Virology.
I'm not just talking science here. The scientists can sort that out, if any can even be trusted to tell the truth and are not blind sided by other factors. I'm talking what are the odds? Look at the data. We have the whole entire world economy brought to its knees! There's something more going on and I don't know what it is exactly, but I will be watching to see if Professor, Dr. Montagnier puts forth some papers. Meanwhile we need more opinions on the Indian papers that were withdrawn, and Not from a PHD in economics.
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