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We Are Approaching COVID-19 Gut-check Time
Townhall.com ^ | April 16, 2020 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/16/2020 4:39:36 AM PDT by Kaslin

We are a few days away from a rendezvous with some tough conclusions about COVID-19.

A number of concurrent developments are coming to a head. Most will bring light where so far there was only heat.

Greater information about the virus might cause as much acrimony as conciliation. Some experts will be discredited, others reaffirmed.

Antibody testing is expected to get under way shortly. Soon, several representative studies will give the country an accurate idea of how many Americans have been infected in the past few months.

With a more trustworthy denominator to compare against known deaths, we will finally learn just how lethal the virus is and whether comparisons to a severe annual flu are legitimate or still inapplicable.

Likewise, there will be greater precision in distinguishing those whose deaths were exclusively virus-related from those who were afflicted by serious chronic illnesses along with the virus. That will also help provide better data about the actual toxicity of the virus.

Those with antibodies will likely be able to return to work with little risk. Arguments will arise over whether their status should be cataloged and banked, or whether such classification would institutionalize creepy two-tier categories of citizenship.

The prior pessimism of most epidemic models will either be confirmed or refuted, depending on the percentages of Americans who have already weathered the virus.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banfearpers; coronavirus; jobsandeconomy
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To: reformedliberal
We use alcohol to disinfect oral thermometers & shopping cart handles, yet are told the lipid capsule of COVID 19 will not be dsisrupted by cleaning surfaces with alcohol. That’s one confusing example, off the top of my head

Where did you see that?

41 posted on 04/16/2020 8:11:12 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Kaslin

What about all those who die of the plain old flu annually? CDC hasn’t got the strains right since Swine Flu. No panic there.
We need a complete overhaul of our health system 16,500 deaths yearly from OTC PAIN MEDS. Dangerous FDA approved meds from Pig Pharma. Badly trained doctors, nurses, techs. Horrid drug reactions from drugs like Bactrim which is not a well tolerated anti virus, kid ends up blistered from head to toe, then to compound it ends up in hospital clinging to life as no one told mom NO Motrin, Advil or Tylenol. Steven’s Johnson’s Syndrome develops. NO cure. Kid ends up on Morphine drip, months to recover from huge blisters, has to be treated as a burn victim, may lose his eye sight. FB photos, plenty on Bing even worse.

I’ve been their victim to many times, to lazy to read your health chart. Even when you see them every 6 months. Last ER visit was EMT insisted from a fall. Idiot med nurse took my health and reaction sheets. X Ray went great, no broken bones, just a larger tare in the Rotator cuff that became known later. I asked for 1 lousy pain shot, I was 70, not a pain pill user. Only wanted to get home over rough country roads. What I was offered was Blacklisted and so Noted by the Cardio, the anti puke med was the expensive on Zofran which breaks me out in Hives. There goes my Blood Sugar up to 400-500 if I have to take Predisone. I told the idiot Phenergan. Goes to load up the needle, I ask what it is FENTANYL THE CRAP KILLING PEOPLE, AND CARDIO BLACKLISTED. Next offered Morphine, hey idiot it’s on the Blacklist, try DILAUDID...IT’s ILLEGAL I’M TOLD.. DUMB IDIOT. IT IS NOT. Called me rude when I insisted on discharge. Then didn’t like the scribbled signature from L hand, as R arm is in sling. I’m R handed. BTW only patient in the ER.

I hate incompetent doctors, nurses, techs, and aides.


42 posted on 04/16/2020 8:18:06 AM PDT by GailA (I'm a Trump Girl)
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To: Fury

Don’t recall where I saw that alcohol was not advised for surface disinfection, but I did see it, inside some blog article or another. I believe the rational given was the quickness of drying/evaporation.

Also saw advice to not use standard counter spray cleaners....I assumed they meant Fabulosa or the like, which I also use for regular surface cleaning.

I discounted it, but there is a lot of conflicting information out there and while many of us will do further research or discount on the basis of what we already know, many others are just applying bleach solution and waiting while it air-dries.

I think writers go through varieties of information concerning multiple types of viruses and then conflate them. This is standard in content-marketing and there is a lot of formulaic content marketing out there masquerading as reliable information.

My suspicions remain about the advice that intact, infectious virus remains for hours on surfaces in quantities necessary to infect on contact. Especially mail and packages that are days away from the original point of shipment, go through shifting temperature/humidity conditions and are subject to abrasion from other items of mail/packages while in route.

I hear of people using boots, stepping in bleach pans and while I know this protocol has been used in farm situations with foot & mouth (hoof & mouth), I doubt this is true of human virus on concrete or gravel surfaces in the presence of wind/rain/sun. Maybe it is, but I doubt it.


43 posted on 04/16/2020 9:15:19 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

When all the numbers come in this Chiflu will turn out to be the biggest hoax ever place on America. All put in place by that little putz Fauci and his scarf bearer.

That so-called expert should be arrested for the crap he has professed.


44 posted on 04/16/2020 9:18:30 AM PDT by JayAr36 (The worthless dispicable party must be destroyed)
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To: MHGinTN
"If immunity is the goal, release HCQ to be written by any physian or physician's assistant, along with Zinc supplementation, so any symptoms show treat early and aggressively. Then the population forms immunity without destroying the economy and the nation. "

But do they?? I've seen no data whatsoever that says those "cured" with the HCQ/Z/Zinc combos gain long-term immunity.

Yes, it reduces the viral load and cures the symptoms, but is there an increase in antibodies sufficient for immunizing against reinfection??

45 posted on 04/16/2020 1:29:11 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I dunno but itis a lot better than letting the vbirus replicate un-opposed. The body will beat the virus with self produced antibodies so take a guess.


46 posted on 04/16/2020 2:05:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: JayAr36

There could have been some medium, interim steps taken without closing down the country & the world.

There is a flu. Mostly it’s mild. Some percentage have severe symptoms. Quarantine them by age, institutionalization status & comorbidity.

The hoax was this push to mobilize to ‘stop the spread’, which gave the progs their wedge.

I’m trusting POTUS to navigate us thru this.


47 posted on 04/16/2020 2:19:28 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

When this hoax is over there are a bunch of sheeple that are going to look just like the fools they are.

This is a flu and not any more a killer then influenza.

This country had no reason to shut down.

Fauci played the country.


48 posted on 04/16/2020 3:49:06 PM PDT by JayAr36 (The worthless dispicable party must be destroyed)
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To: MHGinTN
"I dunno but itis a lot better than letting the vbirus replicate un-opposed. The body will beat the virus with self produced antibodies so take a guess."

Oh, I agree that using the HCQ++ is the right thing to do. I was just wondering if there was any science yet to back up the idea that the end result is viral resistance. If we have to use HCQ as a prophylactic until a vaccine becomes available...that's OK too, IMO.

49 posted on 04/16/2020 3:56:39 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The use of a vaccine is to effectuate an antibody presence that destroys virus when it is in the body. Immunity will not be 100%, POSSIBLY NOT EVEN 75% WITH A VACCINE. tHE IDEA IS TO GIVE AN INDIVIDUAL IMMUNITY, TO STOP A VIRUS FROM OVERWHELMING THE IMMUNE SYSTE. IF the HCQ plus is used early in the virus present in the body, because of the way HCQ ferries ZINC into the infected cells the viral load is reduced to a level which the body's immune system can then destroy and that yields antibody resistance to the virus. For how long? No one knows, YET.

Of the two ways to aquire the antibodies to prevent the disease poping up in an individual, which doesn't murder the American economy and Republic, waiting for a vaccine or opening up the country in stages, using testing and viral load reducers so the individual's body develops antibodies?

I would remind everyone that bill gates and George soros want the country shut down until the gatesian vaccine and tracking system can be instituted. America must not fall for that evil plot.

50 posted on 04/16/2020 4:39:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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