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To: gas_dr; DoughtyOne; catnipman; SeekAndFind; 9YearLurker
Fatalities, Recoveries, Resolved, & Serious/Critical Cases in the United States

To continue our discussion of the other day, please take a look at this compilation of data from Doughty One daily update, especially that chart following, "Fatalities, Recoveries, Resolved, & Serious/Critical Cases in the United States"

The thing that troubles me is that no matter what date one looks at the data going down the list it appears that the fatality rate hovers around 20%.

I understand your personal experience in which those patients you have seen treated, or treated yourself, are dying at a much less frightening rate. Perhaps the heading "Fatalities, Recoveries, Resolved, & Serious/Critical Cases in the United States" tells us where the discrepancy might lie-yet the data does incorporate a "serious and critical" so it would seem that whatever the data universe analyzed is, it is more than just ICU patients.

I would welcome your reaction.


101 posted on 04/15/2020 6:10:19 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Again, what you are suggesting makes no sense. In the NY area and especially NYC, those with virus symptoms below the level of needing to be hospitalized are not even tested. Now they are adding in the deaths of thousands who were nevet tested. There are plenty of reports about here and elsewhere of hospitals getting a big payday if they classify patients as having the virus. There are also shenanigans whereby anyone who dies with evidence of the virus or even suspicions of thwir having the virus is classified as a coronavirus death. If the virus spreads to, say, 20% of our population, that would lead to upwards of a million so-classified deaths each year in the US—not even counting those who are killed by the virus.

We have enough issues with a bioweapon, limited understanding of its properties, anti-Trump and globalist fudging of the numbers to fuel hysteria, growing tech, state-level and other authoritarianism without tossing in wildly inflated death-scare figures as well.

Again, in NYC right now you don’t get hospitalized for this unless there is already serious damage done.


102 posted on 04/15/2020 6:19:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: nathanbedford

You know it’s a really good question. And while I don’t usually do this I will answer a question with a question

I have discharged multiple patients. They are not classified as recovered. It’s unclear to me what the definition of recovery is. So I think the numbers are skewed. The mortality in the United States according to world odometer is 40% of concluded cases. Clearly this is not accurate. From the get go there has been a recalcitrance to classify recovered patients.

So if you take all cases 96% are mild 4% critical. The death rate is realistically around 1% of cases that we know of but here is where the run is...Iceland is reporting a high amount of antibody positive patients. They were symptomatic. If we extrapolate there numbers most likely the death rate is .1% or so.

Based on my clinical experience I see this acts like a very typical severe ARDS. The whole HCQ is a wonderful corollary and I wonder if it can be used in other cases that are not CoVId

This is clearly my opinion but there appears to be some speed to report death and or reclassify it as in the case of New York and slowness in declaring a case resolved

I wonder why that is?


104 posted on 04/15/2020 7:42:20 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: nathanbedford

“the fatality rate hovers around 20%”

fatality RATES are just guesses right now and will remain guesses until a statistically valid sample of IGG/IGM testing of the population is conducted ... however, in other, smaller countries where more extensive per-capita testing has occurred, extrapolations show that 15% of the population has been infected and most of those show zero symptoms, much like West Nile virus showed no symptoms in most who were infected ... so using that basis for the guess, overall mortality rates are extremely low,namely in the .1%-.3% range, compared to the extreme, alarmist numbers that have been wildly thrown out in the last few weeks ...


107 posted on 04/15/2020 11:50:26 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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