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To: Mom MD; All

Not true, not even near true. I don’t think you’re an MD unless of the government public health variety or you’re a PT fam practitioner who has seen only a handful of cases. Your untrue statements conform with the Birx ilk who is more bureaucrat than MD.

Dr. Z had pts presenting with ARDS complications. He had a confirmed SARS-COV-2 outbreak in his community of 40,000 where families live close together.

Hundreds of his patients developed COVID-19 and were in danger. Furthermore, your snark that he ‘assumed everyone with the sniffles had covid’ is not only false, it’s a lie, a lie you picked up from those attacking Dr. Zelenko the same as those attacking Trump.

The truth is Dr. Z evaluated hundreds with the virus and did NOT treat them if they were young because their immune symptoms were strong enough to stop the virus from developing into confirmed COVID-19. Patients he thought would likely pull through without treatment were told to come back if certain symptoms got worse.

Furthermore again, his results were brought to the attention of Rudy Giuliani who had 30+ years experience with Dr. Zelenko’s community in NY. Rudy interviewed Dr. Zelenko and knew from community members that Zev was truthful.

Rudy took the information to newly installed WH Chief of Staff Mark Meadows who briefed POTUS. The President had his top military MDs who are among the best in the world, he ordered them to check the background and veracity of Zev’s results and report back to him. They confirmed Dr. Z’s results were solid. The President was then asked to have the FDA look into its Off-label use and FDA Advisory MDs from the Harvard medical system looked at it and then approved it for emergency treatment of COVID-19.

After this all happened weeks ago, dozens of MDs have repeated the stunning results of Zev’s treatment regimen.

Dr. Stephen Smith of NJ, a prominent MD and expert in virology confirms the treatment works so well that it’s a ‘game-changer’ signaling the end of the pandemic is seen on the horizon.

Dr Cardillo in LA also confirms the treatment results of his cases are all successful.

Today there are thousands getting onboard with this treatment.

The entire nation of India is onboard with it. They have approved it and are ramping up production of HCQ to be used in combination with Zinc.

India has long been a drug manufacturer of patent expired drugs which HCQ is one of. POTUS at the urgent pleas of medical societies made a deal with India to send tens of millions of doses to the U.S. because the HCQ labels had expired long ago and there’s no money in it. It’s very fortunate India had the ability and capacity to do this.


86 posted on 04/10/2020 6:55:51 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage; Mom MD; Jim Noble

To the bedside clinicians this regimen sounds like “alternative medicine”. It isn’t, but I can see no way to quickly convince them of that. Time and testing will tell the tale.

This comes out of three lines of mainstream scientific inquiry involving first SARS, then cancer cell replication, then senescence, and work is ongoing. We will get the studies. Truth will out. Intense emotions from believers in it, and insults do nothing to speed the process.

Mom MD is mistaken in that there is no thought of “zinc deficiency” though I myself may have added to the confusion by pointing out that elderly people are often deficient in Zn. Think rather of insufficient Zinc availability for the RdRP interference mechanism. This theory of HCQ efficacy, yet unproved, is understood well enough now that the question will be resolved in the lab and then in the trials. Dr. Zev did not invent this regimen BTW, not sure how that story got started, but perhaps he is an instrument of saving Jewish lives in NY and in Israel.

Mom MD is not only one of the very finest physicians in practice today, a true hero and life-saver, she is one of the finest FReepers here, an American Patriot! I don’t know why so many on our wonderful forum think that it is persuasive to use insults and flaming. Has that ever worked? I don’t blame you, as I also feel very strongly that lives are lost needlessly, but that is the world we live in. It is God’s business who lives or who dies!

FReegards Hostage! You are an asset.
Love and gratitude Mom MD! I have said before and will say again, you are a treasure.
Respect and admiration to you Jim Noble! I always enjoy learning from you.


87 posted on 04/10/2020 8:21:07 AM PDT by BDParrish ( Please correct me! I never learned anything from anybody who already agreed with me.)
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To: Hostage

I assure you, you arrogant child, that the physician you have impugned is a first rate clinician at bedside who puts her life on the line everyday to treat sick people, just like the rest of us. If you cannot read her posts, she does not see outpatients...so because you obviously do not understand healthcare, that means she is in the hospital. Gee, I bet she sees these patients as they are the only game in town right now because we are no longer doing anything in hospitals that are largely empty (See MAYO just furloughed a whole lot of doctors because there is no one in the hospitals). The truth is this, Zinc deficiency is incredibly rare. There is no protocol use of zinc in the hospital, and all critically ill patients as she states are under dietitian care to make sure nutrition is correct. I know this because I am an intensivist and she knows what she is talking about

You need to stay in your lane and not promote untrue things because everyone behind a keyboard is a noble laureate in medicine. You at a minimum owe her an apology for your abuse, and you need to back the hell off.


103 posted on 04/10/2020 7:17:02 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Hostage

You are waaaaaay out of line. Mom_MD is a Chistian Lady, she would not be playing false ID games on the Internet. The Doctor is treating hospitalized patients. The use of HCQ and zinc and Zpak discussion is over outpatients and walk-ins at doc-in-a-box locations. Dr Z explained he was treating non-hospitalized patients. You would do well to apologize to The Lady and shut up to listen to The Doctor, she has experience at bedside you will never have.


106 posted on 04/10/2020 8:01:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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