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Only Social Darwinians Worry About the Harm Caused by COVID-19 Lockdowns, Andrew Cuomo Says. The point of shutting down the "nonessential" economy, New York's governor explains, is to "save lives, period, whatever it costs."
Reason ^ | March 24, 2020 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 03/25/2020 6:53:52 AM PDT by karpov

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To: 2banana

Right, because no actions ever come w/o consequences, which may include (different) deaths.

This does not exist in a vacuum.

We can’t simply change one thing for one purpose without it domino-Ing tosomething else. We must look for the balance.

His and many others’ squawking about “nothing else matters” is just another form of “IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE....!”

Which honestly is moronic fora whole population.


41 posted on 03/25/2020 7:38:01 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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The solution does not have to be a universal decree, in various countries there may be locations that need a continuation of the virtual lockdown, but only a few and where infection rates and death tolls are much above the average. That might currently apply to parts of Washington state and New York City. I don’t see how the economy can survive a longer (widespread) lockdown and a low end moderate casualty toll is a necessary evil, in particular if it does not substantially exceed what would happen in the absence of any response.

I can’t imagine that progressives would be crazy enough to think that any country could sustain a lockdown for months or an entire year, without an economic collapse. They might think there is something in that for them, but it would become a hell on earth for everybody, with the exception of a very few super rich types, and you have to wonder what role they have played in this, after so much loose talk over the past decade about the need to reduce the population.

I would also like to see a national day of prayer for the health and recovery of the nation and its people. There’s another idea that won’t please the Democrats, but as they like to throw things into packages, we could throw in a prayer for forgiveness of sins. That would really get them going.


42 posted on 03/25/2020 7:38:02 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell ("These measures are voluntary, unless you choose to do otherwise. Then we can enforce them." (okay))
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To: Robert A Cook PE

Some politicians have strange ideas about “essential” & “non-essential”.


43 posted on 03/25/2020 8:00:37 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: karpov

What about deaths from MS-13, robbers, etc., in their search for food and stuff.

Do Human Trafficers get some of the economic bail out package?


44 posted on 03/25/2020 8:01:19 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: karpov

I am in favor of reducing the risks of transmitting or catching the virus especially among those most vulnerable. But is there really such a thing as “nonessential economy”? Why isn’t a middle ground based on true risk assessment and reasonable easily achieved mitigation of risks not being taken seriously? Perhaps some businesses would have to remain closed and RECEIVE COMPENSATION FOR DOING SO. But I think the majority of businesses could make adjustments that would allow them to remain open. Perhaps with a limited staff and occupancy and a change of hours. Maybe by restricting the handling of merchandise. I don’t know. I do know the all or nothing approach is not working.


45 posted on 03/25/2020 8:03:16 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: karpov

There is a giant problem with the New York governor’s position.

If he is true to that position, thinks it’s totally logical and moral, and not hypocritical, then given the numbers of infected, ill, hospitalized and deceased due to the seasonal flu he should add that the economic shutdown and forced hibernating of people should be mandatory every year throughout the flu season, “because it WILL save lives” in the same way that is now claimed for Cov-19. The poor New York governor is too insane to recognize his own hypocrisy.


46 posted on 03/25/2020 8:07:49 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: wastoute
Not to denigrate the Stone Age. There are artisans out there who sell Obsidian Blade knives right now. Some have been found that are thousands of years old and “still sharp”. Steel can’t make that claim.

There are doctors who use obsidian blades in operations. They sterilize just as well as steel, do not lose their edge, and in fact, are sharper. For small incisions, they leave much smaller scars.

47 posted on 03/25/2020 8:17:31 AM PDT by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: zeugma

Isn’t that amazing? Who ever thought that we could “progress to the Stone Age?”


48 posted on 03/25/2020 8:19:35 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: lastchance

Because everyone who in the past has been “essential” due to hurricanes or snow storms already knows who they are.


49 posted on 03/25/2020 8:20:51 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: karpov

So says the governor that signed legislation allowing abortion until birth.


50 posted on 03/25/2020 8:29:01 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: karpov

“save lives, period, whatever it costs”

This is why liberals should never be put in charge of anything, anywhere, anytime. They don’t possess one ounce of common sense.


51 posted on 03/25/2020 8:29:08 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: karpov
"we're all in quarantine now" while ordering all "nonessential" businesses to close. The goal, he explained, is to "save lives, period, whatever it costs."

What about the lives of the millions of people work in "nonessential" jobs? And THEIR children?

52 posted on 03/25/2020 8:56:21 AM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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To: wastoute

Liquor stores. If you mean liquor stores just tell us.


53 posted on 03/25/2020 9:09:46 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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LOL. When I worked for the Army the Class 6 store was not considered essential. Thank God the Governor of VA disagrees because I am plumb out of Bourbon.


54 posted on 03/25/2020 9:15:32 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: karpov
Because their beliefs are formed by their emotions, rather than reality, Rats do not bother with careful appraisals of complex issues. (Obamacare is a prime example.) And that is why they cannot understand the miracle of capitalism. Cuomo and his friends will attempt to make things work even if it destroys the reason to be living--freedom. For stupid leftist ba$tard$, like Cuomo, the attempt is everything; and the result is whatever it is--no matter how disastrous.
55 posted on 03/25/2020 9:27:02 AM PDT by PerConPat ( A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground..Mencken)
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To: wastoute

“I Am Plumb Out of Bourbon.” A tragedy in 3 acts.


56 posted on 03/25/2020 9:31:13 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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Which is why we need a stimulus package that helps struggling Americans and small businesses through this. If we go back to work too early the increased death rate will tank the economy anyway. There really is no “good” solution here, only the lesser of 2 evils.

As a healthy 30 year old I am not worried about dying from the CV. I am, however, worried about my dad, who is in his 60’s. He has a heart condition and has had several bouts of bronchitis in the past. If he gets the CV it will not be just a passing cold. If that happens I’d like him to have a bed in the ICU, a ventilator, and medical staff to help him, which won’t happen if our ICUs are overloaded. Meanwhile people aren’t going to stop having heart attacks and other serious medical conditions just because the hospitals are overloaded so many people who would otherwise have survived will die.

You have to be alive to enjoy your livelihood.


57 posted on 03/25/2020 9:53:04 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: 2banana

When city, county and state budgets collapse and police, EMT and firemen are laid off...

Nah, they'll just run a deficit. It's what our FedGov has been doing for decades.

58 posted on 03/25/2020 9:55:07 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: chuckee

I live in an urban part of California. Can I request to be shipped to Taiwan instead? I’m rather attached to my freedom of speech.


59 posted on 03/25/2020 9:56:18 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: FormerFRLurker

City, Counties and States can’t print money.


60 posted on 03/25/2020 9:57:52 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.)
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