Posted on 03/22/2020 1:19:20 PM PDT by FarRockaway2
But my sister isn’t. To all the MD’s and RN’s & etc out there: how many mouths will swallow pills under “off label only” and how many mouths will swallow pills under “FDA approved” ?
The point is to kill of the sick, the weak, and the poor, who can’t get to a bottle on the shelf at Walmart. If you rats find the cheese you’re allowed to survive. But if you are a slow rat, oh, govmint says not so much opportunity for you.
The foot dragging really matters. Pound FDA: Approve Now!
Exactly. Right to Try does not apply to the single most studied drug in the history of man which would stop the pandemic. It only applies to expensive things that might off you.
The study is a clinical study.
After 6 days, of those who recieved no hydroxychloroquine, about 85% of those original COVID19 patients still had the virus (reading from the graph in the study). After 6 days 30% of the patients who received hydroxychloroquine still had the virus, and the slope of the graph is down towards later days. The drug is routinely given for months at a time for other ailments in similar doses.
Thanks Chaunce. Tell it far and wide. The only way we win here is if pressure on FDA/Fauxi becomes enough that FDA approves. If you go to Belgium or China and get COVID19, they give you hydroxychloroquine now as their national standard guidelines for treatment. Only in the bureacracy will kill you now America is it witheld.
Viruses are not cells, so not “alive” in that sense. But your immune system attacks and destroys cells infected by them if your immune system understands them. Viruses do not reproduce without cells they invade. Hydroxycholorquine does all kinds of things to make life difficult and improbable for the virus. When its reproduction rate isn’t high enough, the immune system can catch up and eliminate it. But if the virus reproduces faster than the immune system can kill it, you have problems.
What I’m going to say here is critical: Trump did NOT “put that into effect”. This is so important: FDA has NOT approved. I repeat: FDA has NOT approved. Under the unapproved-for-that-purpose rules from FDA, this drug will not be prescribed in *anywhere near the numbers*. We are talking about the potential difference between hundreds of times and hundreds of thousands of times. YOu need to tell everyone: Trump has not gotten it approved. He put pressure on FDA with the public comments to get off their butt. But if it is approved 1 month from now - instead of today - it will be the difference between hundreds or thousands dead. FDA approval means hundreds of thousands of patients are going to get it. FDA “off label use” means only small numbers of patients will get it.
check out the graph at the end of the study linked in the article. Shows you the two side by side - with and without the drug. In 6 days, only 30% remained infected with the drug. But 85% stayed infected without.
This is a great example. That doctor will not give the drug. He will wait and look for some-other-evidence. Belgium and China have issued official treatment guidance instructing doctors that chloroquine is the first line of defense. Our guys aren’t going to do with without FDA approval, and FDA wants to take months. In 1 month, all the hospital beds in the USa will probably be filled.
These are helpful observations. Consider also that the lower the cost, the faster the spread of the drug. If its cheap, it can get everywhere quick in large numbers of pills. At a thousand bucks, this other drug will be very slow moving to get to people. There isn’t time for the fancy one until the basic one saves people from the brink.
Thanks for the link. If that is correct then we need a clinical trial of cold-eeze plus hydroxychloroquine. The most commone prescribed, and the most common over the counter, drugs at Walmart.
Offer evidence of mass use.
Belgium and China have it in their official guidelines. I have no info whether other countries are using.
People are dying...take your time.
The med cram guy from the link posted here does indicate as well that you need a double blind study
and there is this comment that I Have no ability to understand as I am not a science person (but i am still going to do zinc lozenges):
“Thank you for this great video. Now allow a science rant:
Please stop hyping this Zn+ PlosOne study. Consider two (serious) caveats of the study:
a) Zink reduces activity of RdRP... HOWEVER any other molecule/ion may do that too (e.g. a strong toxin!). The key point is, it does so WITHOUT AFFECTING NORMAL CELLULAR FUNCTION IN A MAJOR WAY . Naively, this could be assessed by: Use Zn+ and the Zn+ transporter, increase both independently, scatter survival of cells XY.
HOWEVER this is not what authors did. In fact they DID NOT measure cell viabilty with high concentration of Zn AND the transporter at all ! (b) Further, consider that just the Zn transporter (WITHOUT adding Zn!) already decreased RdRP. THIS GOES WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION.
IMHO this study should be retracted immediately since the red flags this raises are skyhigh.
Please correct me if I’m wrong with anything in this factually.”
Www.whitehouse.gov/contact
Right. There’s no rush. Cost-savings is being achieve. Darwinism is advancing. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.
I have no familiarity with the specifics. If i get time will look at zinc. Thank you.
1 week to have an effect, another week to report it, probably at fastest. but do you see MSM covering Belgium? (no)
That is standard procedure in the University of Washington guideline, the MGH guideline, in my hospital, and everywhere else in the United States.
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