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Social Security's catch-22 is bad news for retirees
The Motley Fool ^ | March 7, 2020 | Sean Williams

Posted on 03/09/2020 9:49:19 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

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To: Pirate Ragnar
There is a third alternative - PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY.

Absolutely the best solution. Even with democrat scare tactics trying to crash the economy, we'd be far, far, far better off with our SS contributions invested privately. Even the lowly bank account is a better option than dot-gov.

41 posted on 03/09/2020 10:28:03 AM PDT by meyer (WWG1WGA, MAGA!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

The coronavirus will enhance the financial stability of the SS “Trust Fund” (which is a complete misnomer, as there’s precious little trust, and no fund). It very disproportionately hits the elderly.


42 posted on 03/09/2020 10:28:43 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: RFEngineer

“Military disability is, in far too many cases “free money for nothing” and deserves a review, but probably wont ever get it.”

You forgot to mention Combat-Related Special Compensation (CRSC) where we can get both VA disability and CRSC. I haven’t applied yet but am considering it.


43 posted on 03/09/2020 10:28:48 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Drain the Swamp. Build the Wall.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

The first thing to go will be the maximum taxable earnings limit, followed by income eligibility.

They always start with tax the rich.

They may also decide to police disability fraud more effectively, but that is small potatoes in the big picture.


44 posted on 03/09/2020 10:29:05 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Pearls Before Swine

To be fair, SS has always been a Ponzi scheme.


45 posted on 03/09/2020 10:31:12 AM PDT by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
No, the Social Security System did not build up a $2.9 trillion reserve. The federal government spent every penny that came in. The operating surplus generated from Social Security was "borrowed," which in governmentese means that it was spent. The Social Security System receives a credit in the form of a special category of off-budget debt. As this "surplus" is drawn down, the off-budget debt is declared and becomes part of the on-budget debt.

Here is how this would work in the real world. I get $10 and intend to save ten percent for my eventual retirement. So I put nine dollars in my right pocket to spend and one dollar in my left pocket to save. After I spend the nine dollars, I see something more I want to buy, so I "loan" my right pocket one dollar from my left pocket, replacing it with a one dollar IOU. Since I get to write the laws concerning inter-pocket transfers, I declare this one dollar IOU an "asset." After all, I owe it to myself, so everything is cool. I do this with every $10 I earn over my working lifetime.

When I retire, I of course have no way to repay the stash of IOU's in my left pocket. This is a problem because this stash of IOU's is my retirement "savings." Fortunately, there is an easy answer to this. I declare the pile of IOU's in my left pocket to be a "trust fund" and a "sacred intergenerational compact." I then hand it off to my children and grandchildren and tell them that they are obligated to pay it. This is how Social Security is funded.

46 posted on 03/09/2020 10:31:35 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: RFEngineer
I know a few former military that have done just that.

They work with me. It’s always best to get disabilities that can’t be proven, like hearing loss, headaches, PTSD, backaches, tinnitus, etc.

They can do everything I do and hear fine.

47 posted on 03/09/2020 10:33:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Ummmm, the Wuhan kills seniors... stops their social security checks... forever.


48 posted on 03/09/2020 10:34:54 AM PDT by GOPJ ( http://www.tinyurl.com/cvirusmap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfeZlKu8M7A)
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To: William Tell

“Wouldn’t that entitle the higher paid workers to increased benefits?”

Yes it would and I did state that.

Ideally there should be privatized retirement accounts replacing SS.


49 posted on 03/09/2020 10:38:31 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
As you may have heard, our nation's most successful social program is in a bit of a bind.

The only “successful” thing about Social Security is that it created a massive slush fund for the Federal Government. When the Ponzi Scheme inevitably fails people will question the reasoning of the critters who passed it. Any proposal to keep it afloat should be treated as criminal.

50 posted on 03/09/2020 10:39:02 AM PDT by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

It’s optional. You don’t have to participate.


51 posted on 03/09/2020 10:39:25 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Reily

You misread me. I called for continued collection of FICA taxes. No one is exempted from that. Said so twice.


52 posted on 03/09/2020 10:41:20 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: IamConservative

Yes, I could save Social Security immediately by raising the retirement age to 100. They don’t say what people who are laid off in their late fifties and can’t find another job will do. Go on welfare?


53 posted on 03/09/2020 10:41:57 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (The Nazis were socialists, and all socialists turn into Nazis.)
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To: Romulus

Yes I did, read it too quickly!


54 posted on 03/09/2020 10:44:11 AM PDT by Reily
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“You mean just like military get their retirement reduced if they also get VA disability but other federal retirees get full retirement plus any VA disability?”

Meanwhile convicted felon jesse jackson jr. collects $8,000/month in federal disability. daddy jackson made sure he checked into a hospital long enough to qualify. poor guy is bipolar don’t ya know?


55 posted on 03/09/2020 10:44:46 AM PDT by utax
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To: Vermont Lt
Anyone under the age of 50 who thinks any government promised pension or SS was real is going to be sadly disappointed.

I'm 55, and you will color me quite shocked if I ever receive so much as a thin dime from it. Never have planned to get any. Don't particularly intend to "retire" as such anyway. "Social Security" has always been nothing but another tax that is essentially a welfare-like wealth transfer from the young to the old.

If I could have opted out of it, I would have.

56 posted on 03/09/2020 10:49:54 AM PDT by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Then we hunt the Bastards down and kill them.


57 posted on 03/09/2020 10:53:11 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: ConservativeMind

I know of an individual with 100% disability after a career in.....a military band


58 posted on 03/09/2020 10:55:37 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: billyboy15
"Yes it would [entitle high earners to increased benefits] and I did state that."

What would be the point, then? Wouldn't that simply be like adding more people to the program; a program that is not solvent?

59 posted on 03/09/2020 10:56:10 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Amendment10

I have researched Social Security extensively because a buddy of mine from the Army who retired about the time I did got a job with them.

The reason it was not written so any surplus went into the stock market was two-fold. 1)no one trusted the stock market at the time because of the 1929 crash (social security was adopted in 1935), 2)they were also worried that dumping that much money into the stock market would make cause serious problems. Like the government becoming the owner of most companies.

Also it is not unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has ruled it is, in essences, a tax, and therefore constitutional under the 16th Amendment.

I personally have come to believe it is a good program and necessary in an industrial society. I look at it like the military, where it protects us from enemies abroad and helps with disasters at home. Social Security provides us protection in our old age and disability. Would have rather seen it created through a constitutional amendment though.

In one way it’s better than the military. Every American gets the services of the military, even if they’ve never paid one red cent in taxes. The only way you can draw anything from social security is if you, your spouse, or your parent paid in.


60 posted on 03/09/2020 10:57:05 AM PDT by OIFVeteran ( "Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!" Daniel Webster)
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