u.s. willing to supply turkey with military aid in its fight against syria, white house says

newsweek ^ | 3/3/20 AT 3:55 PM EST | BY TOM O'CONNOR ON

[sockmonkey]

Oh, dear God. Please stop the insane warmongers in DC.
Erdogan is a menace and pox to the world.

[DesertRhino]

Ok Chinaman. I’m just saying Assad is light years more decent of a guy than Khaddafi, Saddam, or ANY Saudi or Gulf leader. King of Jordan is the only one even close...and he claims to be a king.

I ALWAYS go with the guy who lets chicks dance on the beach in swimsuits while drinking local wine. I’m weird like that.

[sockmonkey]

[BeauBo]

If Turkey wants to sacrifice its men to weaken Assad, Iran and Russia, that is their choice.

They can be customers for our defense industry (even though they have a pretty world class Military industrial base of their own).

Unfortunately, I don’t believe that we will be able to sell both sides all the arms and ammo that might care to fire at each other. But just the Turkish orders might add up to a pretty penny.

[Zhang Fei]

[Ok Chinaman. I’m just saying Assad is light years more decent of a guy than Khaddafi, Saddam, or ANY Saudi or Gulf leader. King of Jordan is the only one even close...and he claims to be a king.

I ALWAYS go with the guy who lets chicks dance on the beach in swimsuits while drinking local wine. I’m weird like that.]

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I’m not Chinese, but - whatever. Your love of Russians who have thousands of nukes pointed at our cities, and anti-American Arab dictatorships that have repeatedly sponsored terrorist attacks against Americans suggests that you’re not American, except in the most nominal sense. Like Lee Harvey Oswald, George Soros and Noam Chomsky. Gotta wonder which way you’d have pointed your gun if the Warsaw Pact had come through Fulda Gap. If you were one of the pilots in the aircraft that took out the Russian mercenaries in Syria, would you have fired missiles at the GI’s on the ground, instead?

[McGruff]

[sockmonkey]

One can be fully American, love this Country, and disagree with feckless wars, intrigues, and initiatives which are of no benefit to this Republic.

And if someone is not on board with the neocon/neoliberal agenda which lines the pockets of a few, that does not mean they are the “Enemies of America”, (or some of the more colorful labels bestowed by some of my fellow FReepers.)

[Zhang Fei]

[One can be fully American, love this Country, and disagree with feckless wars, intrigues, and initiatives which are of no benefit to this Republic.

And if someone is not on board with the neocon/neoliberal agenda which lines the pockets of a few, that does not mean they are the “Enemies of America”, (or some of the more colorful labels bestowed by some of my fellow FReepers.)]

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You’re a paleo. DesertRhino is a Russia Firster. There’s a difference.

[cavador]

NONONONO!!!! Heres the reason= USA was providing aid for the Kurdish peoples army BEFORE they were attacked by Turkey. Read this=.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-backed-rebels-syria-resume-fight-isis/story?id=54866164
Why the hell should they supply an army who attacked one of their allies?

[sockmonkey]

*** More fruits of Obama’s asinine attempt at regime change ***

The current situation is all on Trump. Bring back 2013 Trump

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The terrorists in Syria are calling themselves REBELS and getting away with it because our leaders are so completely stupid!
6:17 PM · Sep 5, 2013·Twitter for Android

[Zhang Fei]

[The current situation is all on Trump. Bring back 2013 Trump

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The terrorists in Syria are calling themselves REBELS and getting away with it because our leaders are so completely stupid!
6:17 PM · Sep 5, 2013·Twitter for Android]

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The 2013 Trump was just a civilian kibitzer who lacked the access to classified info and daily briefings that he does today, as president. 2019 Trump knows the Russians run nuclear-capable bombers all the way to Alaska just to stay in practice. He knows the Russians are running a propaganda operation to pin the coronavirus on the US government the way it pinned responsibility for AIDS on the CIA back in the 80’s.

Being a kibitzer and being a president are very different things. The Russians have been a hostile power for at least a century, and they remain, land area-wise bigger than the US and the EU combined. What’s more they have a lot of combat power very close to the Middle East, and half the world’s oil. We don’t need them getting any closer. What was a risk during Carter’s time remains a risk today.

And we certainly don’t need them conquering Turkey. The British and the French fought the Crimean War not because they like the Turks but to prevent the Russians from adding Turkey to their holdings. Turkey bestrides a very strategic spot and there is no way, NATO or not, Uncle Sam is going to allow Russia to overrun Turkey.

[sockmonkey]

Oh, puh-leeze, how many bases and provocative war games has Russia had on our borders? Who are the morons who have been bragging about their W76-2 nukes on subs as a nuclear deterrent?

Russian Propaganda? It pales in comparison to our perpetual mantra of Russia is the boogie man Nikita Khrushchev promised would bury the US. I think we are burying ourselves just fine without Russia.

I, personally, am tired of my government trying to bend other countries to their will through strong arm tactics, threats, blackmail, unjust sanctions, etc.

I am really sick of the $$$ (many millions) and praise we (and the UK) heap on groups like the White Helmets who are proven false flaggers, organ traffickers, and PR spokesmen for terrorists.

And, many of us who helped elect Trump did so because he promised he’d get us out of Syria, and the ME. Yet, here we are.

[tlozo]

Stalin was not about to launch WWII into Europe

German and Soviet soldiers meeting in invaded Poland

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact

[Zhang Fei]

[Oh, puh-leeze, how many bases and provocative war games has Russia had on our borders? ]

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I don’t know what you consider a provocative war game, but what the US conducts on Russia’s borders are typically like this:

https://www.ft.com/content/604c015c-f8b7-11e4-be00-00144feab7de

This is an exercise where Estonia, a country that lacks either an air force or tanks, fields 13,000 troops while NATO puts up a low single digit thousands of soldiers to practice a defense of the country against Russian invasion. Whereas Russian war games involve forces large enough to invade and occupy a small country like Estonia - 100,000 men:

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/19/16330004/zapad-2017-photos-russia-belarus-putin-cold-war

[Who are the morons who have been bragging about their W76-2 nukes on subs as a nuclear deterrent?]

Whereas the Russians are bragging about their hypersonic nukes that can evade missile defenses? We’re basically warning them that if they use nukes against us, we can use nukes right back, without burning all their cities to the ground, and triggering all-out nuclear war.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-nuclear-missiles/russia-says-it-has-deployed-first-hypersonic-nuclear-capable-missiles-idUSKBN1YV1M1

Here’s the reality - on the Allied side, the West ended up with less territory after WWII than before. Russia ended up with more. After WWII, the West’s passive and basically defensive posture consisted of preventing Russia from annexing more territory. It continued after the Cold War ended. Russia seems to think that the re-annexing lands that regained their independence doesn’t count as expansion. We think it does, just as we think it would not be a good thing if any big power decided to re-acquire its former possessions.

During the Cold War, the West’s posture vis-a-vis was the same - the plan wasn’t for the US to invade Russia. It was for US forces to act as a speed bump for Russian forces and hold on long enough for troops to be shipped across the Atlantic. It was reflected in the tiny numbers of American troops relative to the Russians. We had hundreds of thousands - they had millions. Today, we have tens of thousands. They have hundreds of thousands. They are geared for invasion, we are geared for defense. In other words, NATO exercises are provocative only to countries that want to invade their neighbors.