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Fathers, Families, and Incarceration: Evidence suggests that children are often better off when criminal parents are imprisoned.
City Journal ^ | Winter 2020 | Rafael A. Mangual

Posted on 03/01/2020 1:35:12 PM PST by karpov

A common, and emotionally potent, criticism of incarceration in the United States is that it harms children by taking parents and siblings—mostly fathers and brothers, since men account for more than 90 percent of prisoners—out of their homes, depriving families of caregivers, role models, and breadwinners. “More than 2.3 million people are incarcerated in the United States,” writes Black Lives Matter cofounder Alicia Garza, in an essay published by the Brennan Center for Justice. “That’s 2.3 million families that have been torn apart.” In that same Brennan Center compendium, Van Jones, cofounder of the #Cut50 initiative to reduce the incarcerated population by half, makes similar claims. In addition to “perpetuating the ugly legacy of racism,” argues Jones, imprisonment is “tearing families apart.”

Many Democratic Party presidential candidates echo these arguments. In her criminal-justice reform plan, Senator Elizabeth Warren laments that “one in ten Black children has an incarcerated parent.” Joe Biden suggests allowing “nonviolent offenders who are primary care providers for their children to serve their sentences through in-home monitoring.” These proposals are intended to address the problem that “children with incarcerated parents tend to do worse in school, experience anxiety and depression, and develop behavioral issues,” as Bernie Sanders puts it.

Some on the right have made similar arguments. In a speech delivered at the Heritage Foundation, Senator Mike Lee observed that “a majority of prisoners are also parents—most of whom lived with their minor children before they were arrested or incarcerated.” He found fault with a “penitentiary approach to punishment” that “severs the offenders’ ties to their family.”

In New York, the belief that incarceration is almost always a net negative for families—particularly children—may soon shape criminal-justice outcomes.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: incarceration
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1 posted on 03/01/2020 1:35:12 PM PST by karpov
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To: karpov

Hillary’s next book on parenting: “It Takes a Prison”


2 posted on 03/01/2020 1:37:19 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

I thought the government conceded this point when they did everything in their power to keep children in ghetto schools as long as possible - before-care, after-care, whatever would keep them from the people the state perceived as their greatest threat (the idle parents).


3 posted on 03/01/2020 1:40:15 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: karpov

“depriving families of caregivers, role models, and breadwinners”

If they were doing all that they’d probably be too busy to be law breakers dontcha think?. As I go into my 3rd year of service in my churches prison ministry there is one thing I have never heard any of the men say that I come into contact with...”I didn’t do it”.


4 posted on 03/01/2020 1:50:58 PM PST by V_TWIN
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To: karpov

Depends on the crime. if it’s something where restitution can be made and the person can do that on the outside, I don’t have a problem with that. Things get righted and the person pays for the crime. No need to take him/her out of the family.

Anything violent, go directly to jail and stay there until your time’s up. Tough about the family,but you earned that.


5 posted on 03/01/2020 1:56:52 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: karpov

The article lost credibility when it stated, “2.3 million people are incarcerated”, therefore “That’s 2.3 million families that have been torn apart.”

Wrong. There are many single men in prison, who have no kids. And there are many who were separated from their family before entering prison.


6 posted on 03/01/2020 2:09:58 PM PST by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: karpov

I see the results on families of “Daddy” or “Bro” coming home or not going away because they are not caught yet all in a neighborhood near me where my daughter used to live before the hurricane. Wisely she had a tall chain link fence and four “bad” dogs. When the miscreants went away for a while the neighborhood and their families were much more peaceful and wives and children didn’t get beat up.


7 posted on 03/01/2020 2:14:16 PM PST by arthurus (ig...XnO--)
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To: LouieFisk

Can’t have two systems of justice: one for those with families and one for those who don’t.


8 posted on 03/01/2020 2:22:40 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

This “evidence” doesn’t jibe with the statistic that the number one indicator as to whether or not someone will be incarcerated during his lifetime depends on whether or not the father is in the home.


9 posted on 03/01/2020 2:34:18 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Perhaps that pertains to noncriminal fathers, whereas criminal fathers are a bad influence increasing the likelihood of the children getting into trouble themselves?


10 posted on 03/01/2020 2:35:35 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

“Can’t have two systems of justice: one for those with families and one for those who don’t.”

Could apply to all.


11 posted on 03/01/2020 2:35:43 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: LouieFisk

Yes, though some nonviolent crimes have incredibly malevolent outcomes. Judgment based on circumstances required.


12 posted on 03/01/2020 2:36:50 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Probably, but I’d suspect a criminal dad is better than none at all. Too often, the bad influence is worse with nobody to reign a young person in at all.


13 posted on 03/01/2020 2:43:53 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: karpov
children are often better off when criminal parents are imprisoned.


14 posted on 03/01/2020 2:50:18 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Party that freed sIaves, passed Civil Rights is called racist by the party that started the KKK.)
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To: karpov

Dealer Dad and Meth Mom are such good role models and providers that every kid should have both, and being non-violent criminals, they should never be separated from their families by being incarcerated.


15 posted on 03/01/2020 2:51:16 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: kearnyirish2

My take would be the opposite. I think sons particularly can feel that it is disloyal to be straight and successful if they are cared for by a father who is crooked and unsuccessful.

Your run-of-the-mill incarcerated criminal is pretty unpleasant too. Low average IQ with emotional issues and violent tendencies.

The truism pertains: children learn most and best by the examples they are watching.


16 posted on 03/01/2020 2:54:59 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: karpov

Reminds me of a cousin’s grand daughter that was recently put in prison for selling drugs. The cousin’s comment was that she’d be with better people.

Wife and I just could not believe that statement. But in a sense it’s true, as she will learn new trades while in prison.


17 posted on 03/01/2020 4:34:03 PM PST by redfreedom
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I’d suspect a criminal dad is better than none at all.

No. My dad had criminal tendencies. Never once have I wished I'd grown up in the same house as him. Oh, God, no.

18 posted on 03/01/2020 4:50:03 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: 9YearLurker

Frankly I don’t know enough about it; I just think nuclear families are important.


19 posted on 03/01/2020 5:07:30 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I’ll take your word for it.


20 posted on 03/01/2020 5:07:52 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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