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Profit From The Unknown: Become AntiFragile
Startup Bros ^ | 2019 | Kyle Eschenroeder

Posted on 03/01/2020 4:34:51 AM PST by Bon mots

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To: Bon mots
Thanks for the great post again, but ... my reply was for the many freepers that may see the great 1 day returns and "invest" ... that's why I put it in quotes.

Every word I posted is important, especially the words after "unless".

I invite everyone to view a 5 year weekly chart of TVIX - stockcharts.com or wherever. TVIX has reverse split many times. On March 2, 2015 the split-adjusted opening price was about 520,000. It has massive decay built into it's structure and should be thoroughly understood before speculating or "investing".

Thank you again for the great post.

21 posted on 03/01/2020 5:57:28 AM PST by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: Bon mots; bert

Bon mots, you seriously cannot be that dense. Look at any Yager or MLM “training” course. Mandatory books and tapes just like this where the “independent” business “owner” has to spend thousands to listen to this drivel to get motivated to spend thousands more on an elusive and illusory quest for more dollars that won’t materialize without tricking others into the scam.

I’m not saying investing in commodities is a scam. But the linked site is a not-so-thinly veiled infomercial for this dude’s books and tapes on “investments” or maybe his own investments scams. And you posted it under News. Again, seriously? Does FR even allow infomercials on our dime?


22 posted on 03/01/2020 6:00:58 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: bankwalker

Great post? It’s an INFOMERCIAL! GTFO!


23 posted on 03/01/2020 6:01:39 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

I try to be diplomatic at times.


24 posted on 03/01/2020 6:02:59 AM PST by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: bankwalker

Good idea.

Great post? It appears to be merely an advertisement for the chap’s investment materials disguised and an opinion piece. I suggest reconsideration of your position.

:-)


25 posted on 03/01/2020 6:04:46 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

*as an opinion piece


26 posted on 03/01/2020 6:05:23 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
I am not dense. I'm up thousands.

This is not an infomercial - I don't make a dime from sharing this info.

ETFs are not commodities.

Perhaps the site I linked is not the best, I was trying to find something to explain the concept of AntiFragile...

Anyway, invest wisely. Don't buy any tapes or books, just look at the concept of AntiFragility.

27 posted on 03/01/2020 6:08:57 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Lurker

That too.

The night last week that the CDC came out with their announcement about the spread of the virus, I went out and bought more.


28 posted on 03/01/2020 6:30:23 AM PST by sauropod (David Horowitz: “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out.”)
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To: sauropod

Mrs. L and I could seal up our doors and windows and go 30 days.

L


29 posted on 03/01/2020 6:31:50 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: bankwalker
This is the kind of dialogue I was hoping for... I think I posted a crappy link, what I wanted was to scare out the folks who have some knowledge on the subject - like yourself...

I'm playing with SEP IRA money as half of it belongs to the IRS if I take it out now... as well as the fact that I'm in the middle of a divorce, so it is all at risk now anyway. LoL

I did good already with SPXS, but how high can it go?

The TVIX is really risky. But we are not in normal times. It's times like these that you can either lose your 401K or double it.

I went into the market on Monday looking to short and buy puts on Carnival as the cruise business is DEAD and will not come back for a long time.

Another thing to consider is the fact that downside events happen quickly and are over quickly - if they're big. They come along once in a decade... like right NOW.

For a stock to go from 100-50 is pretty fast and easy - look at Carnival. A fall of 50%.

Now, for it to go from 50 back to 100, it needs to gain 100%.

If you can figure out how to play it, the odds are better on the downside - the entire world is running with its hair on fire, it's the apocalypse... meanwhile, the world is still turning.

Anyway, what do you think of the SPXS? I see it as the safest of the unsafe or the unsafest of the safe... :)

Monday is going to be very interesting indeed...

30 posted on 03/01/2020 7:49:25 AM PST by Bon mots
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Great post? It appears to be merely an advertisement for the chap’s investment materials disguised and an opinion piece. I suggest reconsideration of your position.

After re-reading, I regret this particular link, but there is not a lot out there on anti-fragility.

I wanted my FReeper friends to be aware of this... at least those that are interested.

This is a time you can lose your 401K or double it. Pay attention to the comments and not the link.

I wish I had a blog, I could have done a better writeup on AntiFragility and the benefits of having not only awareness of the concept but of how to act upon it in times of turmoil such as these.

What's happening in the markets is a once-in-a-decade event. That much is already clear and this thing did not even really get started.

Already we are witnessing the collapse of the cruise ship industry, airlines have ground to a halt, supply chains are drying up, truckers and shippers are idle or going idle and only one very unhealthy person died in the USA so far...

There are a few people infected on the West Coast - no big deal, except that we have no idea how they got infected... no connection to China, Iran, Italy and they were out and about circulating... they are not the only ones.

This genie is not going back into the bottle.

My reason for posting is to alert my fellow Freepers to what is happening and perhaps shine a light on some things that may be financially beneficial to them. This crisis is not going away any time soon and in times of turmoil, it's good to share some ideas with your friends.

31 posted on 03/01/2020 7:56:14 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

I tried to follow the link and for a second I could see your page, but then some big white screen filled in the top and wouldn’t let me scroll down.


32 posted on 03/01/2020 7:57:10 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: Bon mots

Oh. Never mind, it loaded on my 2nd try.


33 posted on 03/01/2020 7:58:58 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: Larry Lucido
Okay. The link sucks - it's not my blog and I'm not selling anything.

My points:
Corona Virus
It's a Black Swan Event. These come along once in a decade or more. This is such a 'thing'.

How can I position myself to weather this storm financially?
Understand:
1.) Fragile;
2.) Robust;
3.) Anti-Fragile

I just wanted to discuss some AntiFragile ideas with folks who think like me.

I'm long SPXS... hold my beer... :)

34 posted on 03/01/2020 7:59:07 AM PST by Bon mots
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“My question is: What are some of the AntiFragile positions you think will be best for investors during this current panic and black swan event?”

If you truly do not know what’s going to happen, what’s going to go up and what’s going to go down, your best bet is diversification.

If you have some solid rational reasons based on past similar events that some asset classes may do better than others then I would tilt my investment more toward that, while still not betting the farm on it.


35 posted on 03/01/2020 8:08:59 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: Bon mots

Seems like you’re not following the advice of the article. You’re assuming that you know what’s going to happen, whereas the article advises just the opposite.

“Rather, your mistake was in unthinkingly treating what you imagined as though it were an accurate representation of the facts.”


36 posted on 03/01/2020 8:23:07 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: Bon mots
what do you think of the SPXS?

It will continue to go up as long as the S&P500 goes down. I don't pretend to know what any market will do in the future.

I currently hold positions that profit when the stock markets go down. I have stop loss orders in place to exit me when they start to move back up, whenever that may be.

I guess I trade in an anti-fragile manner ... no predictions, just prepared to handle whatever happens ...

37 posted on 03/01/2020 8:46:18 AM PST by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: bert; Bon mots

Not exactly, anti-fragile is not the same as tough or robust.

For example, working out with weights puts stress on the muscles, but ends us strengthening them in the long run.

A vaccine can be considered an anti-fragile tool because it forces the human body to deal with the Corona virus in a small dose, and therefore strengthens the immune system.

An entrepreneur is a business where all sorts of stress and mistakes are made (hopefully on a small scale) with the idea that the risk-taker learns and is more immune to business ups and downs in the future now that he or she learns how to deal with tough situations.


38 posted on 03/01/2020 8:48:45 AM PST by poconopundit (Joe Biden has long been the Senate's court jester. He's 24/7 malarkey and more corrupt than Hunter.)
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To: Bon mots
My points: Corona Virus It's a Black Swan Event.

Statements like that are fragile, not anti-fragile ...

39 posted on 03/01/2020 8:50:10 AM PST by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: bankwalker

should be thoroughly understood before speculating or “investing”.


now wait a minute. you used some words there.

speculating and investing are not the same. This is clearly speculating, don’t confuse people, they don’t see the quotes.


40 posted on 03/01/2020 8:57:30 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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