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I have challenged Gen’l Forrest along these same lines before and I confess myself persuaded at least somewhat. I think that an important insight for me is this. Our side will not fight! They would or they might if they could be convinced that they were in the right. Sadly people on our side accept at the deepest level the current view of the constitution so my tired old idea of “enforcing the constitution we have” is simply impractical. There is no way to get there from here.

The second amendment for example, could not be more clear, yet it was the National Rifle Association that opposed any efforts to defend Bernie Goetz against a NYC gun charge. The NRA also did all they could to stop Heller from filing his lawsuit. Thankfully he didn’t listen to them. And yet the NRA is the best we have defending the 2ndA!

I cannot see how the good general will bring about the Article V convention, but I can accept that it would be a good thing and the fight surrounding it would be won by our side. As central_va (or was it wastoute?) mentions on this thread, there is a fight coming.

I think he is right.

I think we will win.

It seems to me the deep political polarization began in the Clinton era with their dirty deals, his sexual perversion, his lying under oath with no repercussions ....it was made worse by Obammy and his racist hatred and then the aoc squad and their ilk...the winds are gathering...

For years while I have arguing here in support of an Article V convention for selected proposed amendments, I have always stipulated that the very numbers which guarantee against a runaway convention also make it difficult to secure good amendments.

Our natural apathy alluded to in your reply is one of the reasons why we conservatives remain so passive as though we were frogs in a warming pot of water. Therefore I have always stipulated that it will require some sort of a "black swan" event in order to push the country into a moment of national consciousness, such as we had after Pearl Harbor and to some degree after 9/11, of such magnitude that we will resort to Article V.

We might just be looking at such a black swan on the horizon flying at us from China. The coronavirus can bring, civil dislocation, loss of liberty and severe economic devastation. If that should occur, we will be a society that must dig deep, as deep as our ancestors did in 1776 and in 1860. A black swan of some sort, I have always believed will be needed to galvanize the nation. There is no guarantee that we will do the right thing, in fact, the likelihood is that we will resort to tyranny in a time of desperation. That is what people almost always do.