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To: tlozo

You are very confident about a lot that is not true.

For those polls you cited, can you guess what percent of respondents were from Crimea, Donbas or Luhansk?

What percent were afraid to answer honestly?

I go to Ukraine every year.

You know what, the people are afraid to answer honestly on the phone or to some interviewer. In fact many are afraid to tell their own family they disagree. There are many families with split opinion.

But you convinced yourself you know the true opinion of Ukraine. You fooled yourself.

This article says what a scandal it is that Putin thinks Ukraine and Russia are the same people. A huge percent of Ukraine thinks the same. Not 13%, I promise you. Many, many people have extended family with relatives in both countries.


53 posted on 02/22/2020 7:42:36 AM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Let’s say the freedom of press waned after Yanukovich ouster and the freedom of speech is heavily suppressed.
It is true that anti-Russian sentiments are present and mainly due to a massive propaganda campaign but many people start to realize what the European choice really was.

The entire 2014 uprising was based on a lie.

Ukraine went bankrupt and Yanukovich was looking for a bailout.
Putin offered billions of cash no strings attached and the most favorable trade status for Ukrainian goods and services in Russia meaning tariff-free trade for the Ukrainian companies in Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

EU offered open borders for Ukrainians, ‘may be’ a few hundred million Euro and wanted Ukraine to lift tariffs for European exports without opening to the Ukrainian exports themselves.

What was a better deal?

But when Yanukovich picked it the Western media started to scream Soviet Union 2.0 and said Yanukovich rejected EU membership.

Which was all lies because neither Soviet Union was proposed nor EU membership was on table.

The results of the implementation of EU plan after Yanukovich ouster are evident.

The populace impoverished, 3/4 of all businesses are bankrupt, third of the country illegally works in EU and Ukraine owes IMF the entire national budget annually in interests on credit alone.


56 posted on 02/22/2020 8:12:05 AM PST by NorseViking
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