Utah to Legalize Polygamy in New Legislation

Pulpit & Pen ^ | 2/22/2020 | News Division

[MHGinTN]

Clearly, your religion does not believe Jesus is God with us. The god of Mormonism is not one, so it is not what your religion speciously tries to claim, it is not Christ ianity.

[gcparent]

Marrying sisters and one MIL. Smart.

Btw my MIL was a wonderful woman. Great mom, MIL and grandma.

[fproy2222]

Which “traditional” Christianity do you follow?

[MHGinTN]

THAT is none of your Mormon business. I follow my Lord Christ, as a servant not as one presuming to earn his position.

[fproy2222]

Not happy with the liniage of your word scientists that control your beliefs?

[Elsie]

Let the games begin

[Kickass Conservative]

It’s a States Rights issue just like Gay Marriage should have been.

After the SCOTUS decision on Gay Marriage, I went on a Gay Political Site and asked why Polygamy wasn’t Legalized by the SCOTUS as well rather than being a States Rights issue, which it is.

I actually had responses telling me that it isn’t the same because it involved more than two people who loved each other. Then I mentioned legalizing Incestuous Marriage on a Federal level and having a Federal Age of Consent.

That didn’t go over well either.

[Elsie]

Which “traditional” Christianity do you follow?

Which MORMON sect do YOU follow?

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With the Mormons (to be precise, the members of The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - based in Salt Lake City) intent on being called “Christians” after so many years of eschewing that word, and despite the fact that there are so many fundamental theological differences between Christianity and Mormonism, I often wonder: 

How do members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word “Mormon” to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).

For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesn’t appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clark’s “Pure Church of Christ” spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.

Do those responsible for the “Mormons are Christians” campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smith’s teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.

Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven

Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion’s Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion’s Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley’s Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ “With the Elijah Message” (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)

Or these defunct sects:

Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana

Are members of those LDS groups “Mormons”? “Latter Day Saints?” “Christians?”

Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?

Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didn’t believe in the practice of plural marriage – either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.

Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldn’t agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.

The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto – groups that still practice plural marriage.

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Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!

[MHGinTN]

That control my beliefs? What a childish, dead soul assumption! Take you moronism tar baby to someone else.

[OIFVeteran]

Agree. Actually there is more historical support for polygamy than there is for gay marriage. Gay marriage never existed in any society until the Netherlands in 2001.

I would actually support this. If they want to be absurd and legalize gay marriage then lets give them all the absurdity they can handle. Can’t wait to see the feminist argue against this while still supporting gay marriage.

[fproy2222]

:::That control my beliefs? :::

You say your faith is based on the Bible.

To understand the Bible you need to understand the words in it.

The words in the Bible, and the meaning behind them, come to you through word scientists
since you do not believe in God talking to His prophet today.

[MHGinTN]

Mormon, your President is not a prophet of God, though he may be the prophety for someone else! That you trust in him to be a prophet is merely a symptom of a dead soul pretending at religion. Go away and do satan’s little niggling somewhere else. OH! And don’t accept the Mark of The Beast when commanded to you after the Christians are snatched away from the coming wrath.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Polygamy is universal—We just have many wives one at a time. How many has Trump had? Who will he spend his afterlife with? Will God make the choice? Its not for everyone—but some find it an acceptable life way.

[MHGinTN]

You asked, “Who will he spend his afterlife with?” If you were familiar with The Word of God (the Bible), you would realize how off the mark (truth) your question is. Mormonism is not Christianity, therefore the explanation is not acceptable to Mormons.

[fproy2222]

No, you go away and stop pushing your man-made man science interpretation of the word of God.

[MHGinTN]

That tar baby is getting to your brain, Mormon. Better put it down now.

[Elsie]

The words in the Bible, and the meaning behind them, come to you through word scientists since you do not believe in God talking to His prophet today.

Is this REALLY a path you wish to go dwn??

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The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.

No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...

only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

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Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

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*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.

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Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:

 

What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.

[Elsie]

 

Strangely; the caractors below are NOT found in the list of Reformed Egyptian ones above:

 

Performers on stage at the Mormon Miracle Pageant in Manti, Utah. Photo by Scott G Winterton, Deseret News.

 

Poor research perhaps??

[Elsie]

No, you go away and stop pushing your man-made man science interpretation of the word of God.

The costumes your actors are wearing: do they accurately represent; as clothes were described in the Book of Mormon; or are they merely the product of the imaginations of man?

[MHGinTN]

Do you still have that image of the Mormonnic tar baby?