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To: The_Media_never_lie
Please work to refrain from using your Christianity to pronounce Trump a very flawed man.

A duty of Christians, according to Paul (I Corinthians 2:14), is to be discerning--meaning that he or she is to delve into understanding things under the influence and teaching of the Holy Spirit. The fact is--and I know you're going to hate this--is that born-again Christians have access to a God-provided gift of judging things through the Holy Spirit. It is a usual thing for Christians to look at things in this way. The fact that our Spiritual ability in this way enrages, frightens, or mystifies you is not a reason for us not to discern the people, things, circumstances, or matters around us.

This is how the Corinthians verse explains it, with a couple of explanatory words thrown in: "But the natural man [a person who is not save through the grace of God, you for example, apparently] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

You are the beneficiary of the foolishness part while Christians are the beneficiaries of the spiritual part. Discerning by spiritual insight is an obligation and a part of the born-again Christian's ability. Foolishness is a quality of a person such as yourself.

I don't say this to make you angry. It's just that all born-again Christians understand President Trump (and you), in a different--a Spiritually-discerned--way.
30 posted on 02/08/2020 7:24:25 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: righttackle44

To add to your fine post.

I Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority,
14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.
15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.

Verse 14 implies that the God-given mission of those who govern is to punish wrong-doers and commend those who do right. It appears that President Trump is such a person, as compared to a number of previous administrations. At the time this was written, Rome ruled with an iron fist and a very sharp sword. Still, this instruction was given by Peter. It appears that the Lord gave some latitude to those who rule. It’s rather confusing to me.

One option available to Christians in that day was to flee; see Matthew 24. Even so, tradition holds that only one apostle, John, died a natural death. Paul was beheaded; Peter was crucified; James died “by the sword” etc.

Being slapped on the cheek is not a life-threatening event. It is, perhaps, the public insult, being fired for being a Christian, being ostracized. The teaching is that after being slapped on the cheek, let it go, carry on. In contrast, the Democrats didn’t appear to give President Trump a slap, they were out to figuratively kill Donald Trump, and, by extension, to “kill” those citizens who love the Constitution and wish to be governed by it.

Are there two moral positions to take with respect to Donald Trump? (1) Turn the other cheek and be destroyed. The moral high-ground is passively turning the other cheek. (2) As a leader, commend those who are good and punish those who are unrighteous. By so doing, he is protecting the citizens of the USA and upholding his oath of office. In so doing, perhaps he is an agent of God; you choose. Justice is moral punishment. The shortcomings of human justice, notwithstanding, all accounts will be balanced on the judgment day to come


39 posted on 02/08/2020 11:47:32 AM PST by NorthStarOkie (Choose: Heaven or Hell. Hell is the default. (Stolen from a FReeper.))
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