Posted on 02/03/2020 2:25:59 AM PST by Mount Athos
A Gilbert HOA is accused of trying to restrict its residents' first amendment rights on Facebook by threatening fines and penalties if residents post comments that frame the board in a negative light.
"Considering you're talking of a fine up to $250 a day and revoking your privileges at our clubhouse here, suing us with our own money, that's pretty unfair," said resident Mark Skarupa.
It all began last year during board elections in the Val Vista Lakes Community off Baseline and Val Vista roads.
People in the community were talking on a private Facebook page called “Residents at VVL” and posting critical comments about board members and how the HOA was being run.
Nardecchia lives in the Val Vista Lakes (VVL) community and since 2019, she's been the administrator of that Facebook page.
"It's all about bringing that community together," said Nardecchia.
It's your usual neighborhood page, full of events, lost dogs and safety updates. But when board elections kicked off last year, the debate over who should be seated got heated.
"It was disagreements about how certain members of the board run the board, where they're spending our money, things of that nature," said Nardecchia, recalling the posts on the page during that time. Those disagreements played out in the comments on the page.
Following the elections, the board proposed a social media policy restricting opinions about board members on Facebook.
It was dropped after a massive outcry at a community meeting.
Then a dozen residents received a letter from a law firm hired by the board earlier this month, threatening daily fines and taking away access to community amenities for the comments on social media.
All of the legal costs were paid for by resident HOA fees.
"They are asking me to basically censor the speech of the 650 members that belong to that page," said Nardecchia, who also received one of the letters.
"Clearly it's an overreach by the board," said Keith Faber.
Faber, a 10-year resident of the community and former board member, received a letter, too. He says the board has no right to restrict free speech on a private Facebook page.
"It's improper and they need to address, and maybe there should be some resignations," said Faber.
The letter demands posts that are disparaging, speculative or defaming to board members be removed immediately. It also cites past incidents including posts that said that board members altered or manipulated votes in annual elections and that board members purposefully retaliated against members in the association -- opinions that now come with consequences.
"It's kind of difficult to understand who is being served here," said former board member Ken Hassen.
Mounting frustration from the community forced the board to hold a closed-door meeting with their attorneys Thursday.
Those protesting outside the closed-door meeting question why HOA dollars are being spent to keep community voices silent.
"They cannot impact our first amendment rights," said resident Sharon Maiden.
After we continuously pressured the board, another letter was sent out Thursday, retracting their previous threats.
But some say the letter didn't go far enough.
"They sent another letter that still contained threatening language, they have not apologized and no one has resigned," said Maiden.
When the board meeting ended, we went to get answers in person.
"Do you guys have anything to say to the people who got the letters?" ABC15’s Cameron Polom asked.
"You know we did some work... they'll have a comment soon," said treasurer James Rosebrough.
"A lot of people have said you're using HOA fees for your own benefit rather than the communities, what do you think about that?" said Polom.
"Yeah that's false," said Rosebrough.
Then we approached Director Todd McCoy.
"I'd like to ask you a couple questions," said Polom.
"I have no comments for you, get away from me, get away from me," shouted McCoy.
After being shoved, Polom reiterated to McCoy that the community is very upset with the board’s actions to which he replied, "I don't care."
The board president refused to leave the building and answer questions.
Even prior to the meeting, residents began circulating a petition to have the president and vice president of the board resign.
Residents also say the board members should have to pay back HOA fees paid to the attorneys who advised the board on the letters.
I agree with you.
I live in a community with a HOA. My influence to change things (or just maintain things) here in our community is much greater than my ability to change things in the city, state or nation.
We too have an independant Facebook site. Much of it is innuendo, speculation and sometimes lies, but everybody knows that. And we take it with a grain of salt.
I am OK with our HOA. Not everything is to my liking but I do have the opportunity to be involved and make it to my liking.
I disagree - you have a right to post your opinion or anything else that does not physically endanger someone, even if it is a lie.
The person you lie about also has the right to sue for slander. The right to freedom of speech is almost absolute, but there are consequences.
“...“fun place” is a tongue-in-cheek description.”
Correct. :)
The people who are attracted to being on the HOA board are the very sort you absolutely do not want in any position of authority over you or your property.
Glad I read through the thread. This is exactly what I was going to say. Last time I was looking to move, I told my realtor that if there was an HOA, don't even bother.
zeugma wrote:
“”The people who are attracted to being on the HOA board are the very sort you absolutely do not want in any position of authority over you or your property.”
Glad I read through the thread. This is exactly what I was going to say. Last time I was looking to move, I told my realtor that if there was an HOA, don’t even bother.”
Same here; I told the realtor NO HOA.
We are fortunate to live in a neighborhood where the HOA has a “light touch.” The annual dues are low, and go primarily to the upkeep of the gatehouse and entrance to the neighborhood, an annual picnic, a monthly newsletter, and liason with our district’s county commissioner. If anything, I wish it had been a bit more pro-active over the years in monitoring and enforcing the few covenants that go beyond the county code. And, yes, we did check the covenants and the HOA before buying in the neighborhood. I urge everyone to do so.
Mine is somewhat different.Our Board Chairman,I came to learn *after* I bought,has spent lots and lots of time in courtrooms...state and Federal.Sometimes he wins,sometimes he loses.The Boston Globe has written a feature article about his family (three generations) that has revealed breathtaking financial amorality.What his family has single handedly done is to allow this complex,located in one of Boston's most desirable residential suburbs (and within a 2 minute walk of a commuter rail station to Boston),to deteriorate nearly to the level of public housing.
This is my first condo. For 30+ years I owned single family houses.I've learned a very expensive lesson...when talking condominiums there's a lot more to consider than just location,location,location.
I would never live in an HOA dictatorship and anyone who chooses that life deserves what they asked for.
So would that be a board full of communists, or the poor saps that are the tenants?
"Congress shall make no law..."
A HOA is not Congress. It is a private association.
I’m referring to the “right” to sue for slander.
When 90% of all homes in your town, including all new homes, have one, and especially if you’ve never lived in one and can’t believe the CC&Rs.
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