[11th_VA]

Discussion Thread

[Jane Long]

Self *

[11th_VA]

Over 81,000 are being tracked as close contacts ...

[MarMema]

Up up and away...

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Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's life, it's worth it.

[sauropod]

bkmk

[Repeal The 17th]

People who are contaminated touch things.

Then you come along behind them and touch what they have touched.
Then you subconsciously touch your mouth, your nose, your eyes, or your food.
Now you have become contaminated.

If your life involves primary or secondary contact with other people,
you should wash your hands frequently to wash away the contamination.

The more often you are in contact with other people,
the more often you should wash your hands.

Simply scrubbing your hands together under running water will remove 90%.
Using hot water might give you a couple more %.
Using soap might give you a couple more %.
Using antibacterial soap might give you a couple more %.

...but just the very simple mechanical action
of scrubbing your hands together under running water will remove 90%.

This is true now and always under every condition with every virus.

If you don’t get out much, then it doesn’t matter much.
A retired person sitting at home has much less risk
than someone who is a flight attendant or a doctor or a nurse.

[Bobalu]

The numbers from China seem erratic and questionable IMO

[napscoordinator]

Maybe way more deaths as reports state that China is burning dead bodies without identifying them or adding to count. I believe this big time.

[rrrod]

Don’t drink Corona beer!!!!!!

[Jane Long]

JUST IN: White House announces task force to monitor coronavirus https://t.co/fTfWu7SGLZ pic.twitter.com/hYPGXdHLU7— The Hill (@thehill) January 30, 2020

[familyop]

Compare the numbers coming from China with the actions of the Chinese government and other governments. Compare those actions with actions against flu epidemics.

Do you see?

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Heard around the web that it’s too late to call it the “Kung Flu.”

[blueplum]

“In the study, published today (Jan. 29) in the journal The Lancet, the researchers analyzed 10 genome sequences of the novel coronavirus, dubbed 2019-nCoV, obtained from nine patients in China who were sick with the virus.

“They found that all 10 of the genome sequences were extremely similar — they shared more than 99.98% of the same genetic sequence, the authors said. This suggests the virus made its “jump” to humans very recently...the researchers compared the 2019-nCoV genetic sequence with those in a library of viral sequences, and found that the most closely related viruses were two coronaviruses that originated in bats; both of those coronaviruses shared 88% of their genetic sequence with that of 2019-nCoV. (When compared with two other coronaviruses known to infect people — SARS and MERS — 2019-nCoV shared about 79% of its genetic sequence with SARS and 50% with MERS.)

note in the comment: “ But coronaviruses can’t live in cold-blooded animals.” (i.e., snakes)

[note: this data, 88% bat coronavirus, is in conflict with China’s initial claim that the coronavirus is 96% bat but don’t know the significance of that. But the 99.98% sequence similarity should be a marker for mutation rate of virus in more recent patients]

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-origin-bats.html

[blueplum]

Random snippits re: Britain/Australia:

The UK government still has “difficult issues” to negotiate with the Chinese authorities over a flight to evacuate British nationals from Wuhan, the city at the centre of the coronavirus outbreak, a minister has said.
The Foreign Office has said the flight will not now take place on Thursday as the government had hoped.
Nick Gibb, the School Standards Minister, told Sky News
“There are some difficult issues that are being negotiated at very senior levels between the British Government and the Chinese government.

@DHSCgovuk UPDATE on #coronavirus testing in the UK: As of 2pm on Wednesday 29 January 2020, a total of 130 tests have concluded: 130 were confirmed negative 0 positive

It’s being reported that Australians wanting to leave Wuhan will need to pay $1,000 to board the Qantas flight that is being chartered to get them out. The Sydney Morning Herald reports evacuees will have to pay the fee and sign a waiver

The Australian government has said Australian citizens who are in China but who are already sick with a confirmed or suspected case of coronavirus will not be flown out.

update from the chief health officer in the Australian state of New South Wales, where there are currently four confirmed cases of the virus. Kerry Chant said that two of the four were now well and were discharged from hospital yesterday. They have no symptoms. Two others remain in a stable condition

[sad] A Hong Kong taxi driver uses cardboard to try and create a shield from his passengers and wears gloves to protect himself from coronavirus.

[blueplum]

more on Japan flights (there have been 2 now):

Three Japanese who returned from Wuhan on a government-chartered flight have tested positive for the new coronavirus, the health ministry said Thursday as more Japanese evacuees from the Chinese city arrived in Tokyo.
The three — one in stable condition and two without symptoms — were among 206 people brought back Wednesday from Wuhan amid a deadly outbreak started by the pneumonia-causing virus.
It is the first time that a person outside of China without symptoms has been confirmed to be infected with the virus, according to Japan’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.
A further 210 Japanese were flown back home on Thursday on a second government-chartered flight, with some displaying symptoms such as coughs, according to the health ministry.
In the first group of returnees, all but two people agreed to tests for the virus. All passengers other than the three tested negative for the virus, the ministry said.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/30/national/three-japanese-wuhan-coronavirus/#.XjKboG5FzIU
NOTE: the Japanese govt said they do not have the legal authority to force the two to test but they will be monitored

A Japanese official says 13 of 210 evacuees who returned from the virus-hit Chinese city of Wuhan to Tokyo had cough, fever or other health issues and are expected to be sent to designated hospitals.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga says Japan is negotiating to evacuate some 300 more citizens and their families from Wuhan as early as Thursday.
Shigeru Omi, the former regional director for the World Health Organization who now heads Japan Community Health Care Organization, said that two evacuees who tested positive for the virus without showing any symptoms could have spread the disease further. He urged Japanese health authorities to step up surveillance measures based on that assumption.
https://chinapost.nownews.com/20200130-944212

NOTE: the above from china post is only being carried by a site called on forex - so it may be govt rumor. What we do know is about 400 of the Japanese being repatriated worked at a supermarket in Yuhan that refused to close so that ppl could get groceries. And that Japan is planning a 3rd flight to get the last of their ppl.

[blueplum]

American flight at March Field:

None of the 195 passengers who returned to the U.S. on Wednesday after escaping the coronavirus outbreak in China have shown signs of infection, but they will remain under observation for up to three days as they get screened, a CDC official said...Messonnier said the number of confirmed cases in the U.S. remains steady at five, out of 165 persons under investigation. Of those, 68 have tested negative and the rest are awaiting results.

https://www.thecalifornian.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/29/coronavirus-outbreak-wuhan-china-americans-flight-arrival-california/4607093002/

Authorities said the evacuees are isolated from military personnel on base. Authorities were quick to say that the passengers are not under a federal quarantine order...For at least the next three days, they will be monitored twice a day for fever and other symptoms..”When they leave and go to their home states, at least twice a day someone from public health will contact them”....a number of people did not have the right documentation to enter the United States. Some others ... did not show up. There was one person who had a fever who was not allowed to board,” Braden said.
https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/health/2020/01/29/flight-landing-riverside-county-210-coronavirus-epicenter/4607809002/

[DuncanWaring]

There’s a claim that researchers in Hong Kong say the number of infections is doubling every 6.2 days, or roughly doubling every week.

At that rate, the number of cases will be around 40 million by early April.

We’ll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJr5ZeHIe_M roughly 9 minutes in.

[jetson]

Being a large majority of Americans get flu shots, there may be a chance the strain mutates to a lesser strain. Who knows?