Why is it the conservatives that need to leave? The conservatives have had the majority at every general assembly, which is why the liberals want to separate?
So why are the conservatives at a disadvantage?
Why do conservatives get only a small fraction of the financial assets of the current denomination?
Why is the presumption that conservatives have to vote to leave, with a threshold set above 50%.
Why are individual churches unable to vote to leave for four years after the liberals take absolute control of the now United Soviet Social Methodist denomination. Conservative members will leave far before and there will not be enough conservatives left to even be a majority in their own churches.
>> So why are the conservatives at a disadvantage?
Because we are good, Godly people. Annual Conferences have become virtual Pride Parades and the Conservatives are kind enough to just not say anything to them about it. The Humanists have set the narrative by forbidding us from calling practicing homosexuality a sin by referring to it as “same sex attraction”. They argue against God’s morals in favor of society as the decider of morality.
So, as the Bible tells us, we will gradually lose as the Humanists teach their ungodliness as truth. But, God does win in the end and all those apostate Elders who strut around in their rainbow stoles will get their just punishment.
Tooley speaks of the “liberal church” in the article. He is wrong. There is nothing liberal left there. It will be the Humanist Church. Whatever it takes to rescue the believers of the Bible from that is worth it.
Traditionalists aren’t at a disadvantage. Traditionalists have the majority of votes, but the entire hierarchy of boards, agencies, seminaries, and bishops are totally, hopelessly, progressive liberal.
Also, corporate law means you can’t just close. You have to settle up any outstanding contracts, debts, etc. and divide money. Better to let the liberals keep the liberal things they’ve built and get a new start with a clean slate.
That is UP TO 4 years to leave. A church can vote right away to leave. But some church might have trouble with factions in their church they have to deal with...one side or the other. This way they get up to 4 years to make a decision.
A retired UMC pastor friend once told me that three things hold the “denomination” together: 1) pension benefits for clergy, which keeps most clergy from speaking out Biblically, 2) the UMC stock portfolio (too many little old ladies leave their estates to the church), and most importantly, 3) the real estate portfolio which includes almost every single UMC church building in the nation. And every one of these three things is controlled by the pagans, hence the conservative majority in the pews is rendered moot. Methodists are not renowned for their passion and zeal, hence those “conservatives” in the pews put up with it. I would not and was shown to door.
The $25 million being allocated from general funds is just shade, the real issue is the $25 billion in local congregation properties.
Gramsci’s ideals were enacted in pseudo-Christendom as well as every other public institution in the culture.
I’m guessing it’s because liberals are more entrenched in the power structure and they don’t give a damn about ‘being fair’... just like the liberals in our general larger society.
Yes, it’ll be harder on our side in the short run - but in 50 years we’ll still have belief in God - and they’ll be selling their empty church buildings for a loss.
Why is it the conservatives that need to leave?
Great questions.
Especially considering...as this article mentions....conservatives will hold a majority, globally.
Good question, sounds like the totalitarian leftist have placed themselves at the head of the origination like they do every organization then pretended to represent it while working to abolish what it was founded to stand for.
The liberal church will die either way, its sad that they have created such unfair terms to force so much of the existing organization to die with them.
A faith that disregards the clear teachings of the bible is not really a faith at all, its a lawless group making it up as they go, who at best believe in the humans that lead them. Not the infinite wisdom of our timeless God as written down for us in the bible.
Ironically no different than anther idea a ‘living constitution’ is no constitution at all its just a handful of oligarchs dictating law on a case by case basis.
Yes, but if the conservatives leave, there goes a lot of money. Loss of membership from my former Congregational Church in Maine is causing a severe strain on their finances. My prediction, the conservate Methodist church will see a rebirth and increased membership; the liberal church will see a loss of members and be a rump demonination.