Posted on 12/31/2019 9:49:22 PM PST by Mariner
Donald Trump announced that the US embassy in Baghdad is safe after some 6,000 pro-Iran militia fighters stormed the compound on Tuesday, set walls ablaze and chanted 'Death to America!' in a violent retaliation for American air strikes.
The president doubled down in his warning to Iran, saying their government will be held 'fully responsible' for the attack that forced the Pentagon to send 100 Marines as reinforcements to the Iraqi embassy.
'The U.S. Embassy in Iraq is, & has been for hours, SAFE! Many of our great Warfighters, together with the most lethal military equipment in the world, was immediately rushed to the site. Thank you to the President & Prime Minister of Iraq for their rapid response upon request,' Trump tweeted Tuesday evening.
'Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost, or damage incurred, at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE! This is not a Warning, it is a Threat. Happy New Year!' he added.
In a third tweet he quipped 'The Anti-Bengahzi!' The post was an effort to distinguish his administration's response to that of the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on a diplomatic compound in Libya that left four Americans dead. The tweet, which had a spelling error, was deleted soon after.
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Good luck with that. For your information Iraq is 70% Shia. That is why they are in line with Iran. Saddam Hussein was able to control it and one of the charges against him was that he was suppressing.... Shia will. Now you have Shia will on display near Embassy compound. You can’t have it both ways. It is a democracy at work.
I'm sure many Iraqis DO embrace us there...
And it IS Iranians...More specifically it is the Shia branch of izlam which is headquartered in Iran...Doesn't matter if they are Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Turkish, Lebanese, etc...Borders mean nothing...They bond together as our enemies and Iran controls the leadership and funding for all of them...
“You can’t have it both ways.”
What am I having both ways?
We set that bar mighty low in 1979. It's one of the reasons why Iran has no fear of the USA. Reagan should have flattened Tehran 30 minutes after the hostages were wheels up and west bound. Instead, we've had 40 years of tit for tat that has resulted in a lot of dead Americans. The same thing is happening here now. Expect more of the same. Probably a good investment opportunity for Ratheon and General Dynamics, though....
First you support removing Saddam so that Shia Muslims won’t be oppressed. Then Shia Muslims want to ransack an Embassy and you don’t like it. Is it correct? Or there might be misunderstanding between us.
Endless war 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014 ...
“Now you have Shia will on display near Embassy compound. You can’t have it both ways. It is a democracy at work.”
It’s troubling that you consider the ransacking of an embassy as democracy at work.
“First you support removing Saddam so that Shia Muslims won’t be oppressed.”
I don’t recall ever stating that.
Then I am sorry, but I think as many people here were against Saddam at the time as now against Iran.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”
Albert Einstein
USMC is Chinooks?? The Osprey pilots are gonna be shocked.
Unless the US Army was air logistics, the USMC flies a similar but smaller twin rotor helicopter.
The Ch-46 the USMC flies is not technically a Chinook.
The minority shi’ites hold power in Iraq. Iran is majority shi’ite and so it is in their interest that the Iraq minority in power remains in power.
Iran wrongfully continues to use militias within Iraq to help the shi’ite minority in Iraq to stay in power.
Obama co-operated with Iran shi’ites in Iraq, although not openly.
Is this analysis correct?
President Trump is not going to put up with Iran’s surreptitious control of Iraq? (if so, POTUS is right as usual!)
The answer: These are all Moslems, Sunni and Shi’ite. We will never solve their internal disputes for them nor should we try to.
A by product of the above is that we cannot and SHOULD NOT TRY TO impose democracy in Iraq or in Iran. Both countries are Islamist and there is no real border between the two; they are actually just territories trying to maintain Shi’ite or Sunni control. Their primary focus is sharia law, not democracy , so our attempts are futile and make the situation worse. The U.S. need to get out!!
Short term - of course we must protect our embassy with marines. Then I hope POTUS will withdraw from all of it and let the Moslems sort themselves out. Because we are now energy independent, this is actually do-able.
P.S. CAPS are for emphasis only, not meant to shout.
I know we don’t give away strategy, but it seems stating the rules of engagement for an embassy under attack would be a good idea in this case. If we have to pull a trigger, ”they” then would have known the red line And would have to make a conscious decision to cross it. RESULTS: THEIR FAULT PEOPLE WERE INJURED OR KILLED .
That mob scene was a perfect place for a 155mm artillery round...
Has anyone considered the thought that this may be a means of drawing in the vast preponderance of Iran-backed militia into a kill box?
Yes, Obama May want the United States to invade Iran to weaken the United States and do to the United States what we did to the Soviet Union and make us spend ourselves into economic collapse.
Both the Sea Knight (CH-46) and the Chinook (CH-47) came from the Vertol (now Boeing) V-107 design of 1958.
The difference is the Army had theirs sized up about 30% with bigger engines and rotors.
Both in service since 1962 with MANY original air frames still flying.
It’s hard to improve a perfect design.
One would have to know the history to spot the difference.
Out is the place to be, no doubt.
Bomb Iran, kill their leaders. Only way to stop them from using the nuclear bombs they are making.
Of note: the USMC has replaced all it’s assault variant CH-46Es with the MV-22 Osprey.
It has 33% more payload, twice the range and twice the speed.
Speed matters for assault troops, and so does range.
While the CH-46E could have put those Marines in Baghdad from Kuwait, it would have taken two hours instead of one. And the helos would have to refuel before going home.
The Osprey completed the mission in an hour after liftoff and didn’t have to refuel.
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