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To: Hostage
You argument that impeached means removal from office is the same one that Karl Rove made this morning.

Was Clinton impeached?

The argument that Trump is not yet impeached has nothing to do with he's not removed from office. It has to do with Peolsi's too clever by half move to put the impeachment resolution in her desk instead of acting on it.

52 posted on 12/20/2019 3:27:36 PM PST by Cboldt
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> “Was Clinton impeached?”

The chattering classes have been saying that for so long that it’s become ingrained in the lexicon.

No one defended Clinton as a President that was subjected to a failed impeachment that did not remove him, and then argued he was left unimpeached.

No one defended Clinton because he had indeed committed crimes but those crimes were adjudged (mostly Trent Lott) to not rise to the Constitutional standard for removal. He was a scoundrel and people were sick of the whole affair so as it surfaced from time to time that he was an impeached President, no one bothered to say that was not quite the case. Of course, the Democrat media didn’t cover any such arguments for such a characterization. It was dropped.

To say Trump is an impeached President, is to say Scott Walker is a recalled Governor.

The precise characterization is that President Trump suffered a partisan meritless attempt to impeach him as a ploy to keep him from prosecuting corruption in government and beyond.

I think he will win and history will be written that he survived a failed attempt to impeach him because I don’t think the impeachment process ends with a vote in the House. I think a vote to impeach in the House is exactly that, a vote to impeach. The process does not end there, it is continued in the Senate. If it never gets to the Senate, then it can be nullified and made void as if it never happened.

I have also stated that holding back the articles of impeachment reserves to the Democrats a tactical parliamentary maneuver to stop all business in Congress for when they actually do decide to send over the articles to the Senate. For example, if RBG goes comatose, the replacement nomination process is auto-stopped by filing the articles with the Senate as the Senate must focus only on impeachment and nothing else. So this is a tactical weapon for them, a delay tactic and as some of them say a leverage instrument. A Senate deadline neutralizes that weapon.

I’ll repeat, a Senate deadline neutralizes their gaming of the system.

I also posited that there are some really sinister parties in the background that think nothing of launching a coup under the color of law and that includes taking out Pence.

In Summer 2018 I was at a dog park in Seattle where some antifa looking characters were bunched together about 30 yards from where I was sitting. I heard them talking and one of them was on a cell phone. I heard clearly “But then we have to take out Pence.”

So it became a plausible scenario that the puppet masters behind Pelosi are aiming not only to blackmail US Senators (as in corruption proceeds or Epstein entrapment evidence) but to somehow take out Pence and then install Pelosi as President and Commander-in-Chief where she would be in charge of the US Army, calling up the National Guard, and directing that history would record that a Dictator was removed and his fascist followers were being rounded up.

Two days after I posted this on FR and social media, Schiff makes a veiled threat towards Pence.

For sure I am not the only one thinking these types of things but I refuse to believe the Democrats are so stupid. I believe they are organized to make a real coup d’etat under color of law. Once they secure a legal basis for taking power, they will write history whichever way they will.

Americans will be shocked and in denial. It has certainly happened in other countries but it is difficult for Americans to bnelive it could actually ever happen here.

The recent state gun control laws in Virginia and the defiance displayed is not necessarily unrelated. The hundreds of millions of guns in the US are problematic for a coup but a coup that is conducted under a quasi-legal basis needs only to control the DC Metro Area at the beginning while seizing control of the US Army and the Virginia National Guard. These military forces will be highlighted by the Democrat media as ready to put down insurrection of right-wingers and rogue paramilitary groups. If they get that far, I see no impediment for their launch of a crackdown on any vociferous Trump supporters.

But again, a Senate deadline on impeachment nips in the bud their available time to get ready.

I know it sounds unbelievable but then look at what they have already done and stop being naive, these people are insane but they call us insane, and they are going for the jugular and it is imperative that we not sit back and laugh at them for being so stupid as to think they can get the Senate to convict POTUS.

I tend to think it is unlikely the coup will turn 20 US Senators against the President in impeachment proceedings but then I read such horrors as Lawrence Tribe suggesting the Senate impeachment vote can be a secret vote giving vulnerable Senate members cover to vote to impeach.

This will most likely not happen. But for sure it is HOW THEY THINK. And we should be aware of what they are up to.


87 posted on 12/20/2019 4:25:44 PM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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