Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: george76
After the deranged Psychologist Army Major Nidal Hasan shootings and the Chattanooga, TN recruiting office shootings, The DoD authorized base commanders to allow the carry of personally owned firearms by DoD personnel.

It is the base commander that has prohibited concealed carry on base, not DoD policy.

DOD DIRECTIVE 5210.56 ARMING AND THE USE OF FORCE

SECTION 4: POSSESSION OF PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS BY DOD
PERSONNEL NOT RELATED TO THE PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES.

4.1. GENERAL. This section provides guidance for determining the eligibility of DoD personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property for personal protection when it is not related to the performance of official duties. This section also provides requirements for individual training, transport, safeguarding, and storage of privately owned firearms that the arming authority must consider when determining whether to permit an individual to carry a privately owned firearm on DoD property.

4.2. ARMING AUTHORITIES CHARGED WITH PERMITTING PERSONS TO CARRY PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS. The arming authorities charged with determining whether to permit DoD personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property:

a. May grant permission to DoD personnel requesting to carry a privately owned firearm (concealed or open carry) on DoD property for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status. Permissions granted under this section do not apply to carrying a firearm within federal buildings unless the arming authority specifically determines, after consultation with servicing legal counsel and in accordance with applicable DoD policy, that an appropriate exception under Section 930(d) of Title 18, U.S.C. applies.

8 posted on 12/08/2019 9:05:00 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: Yo-Yo
That DoD Directive was signed after the election, but before Trump's inauguration as a head fake b/c of his remarks in January of the same year.

The current directive you cited requires 0-6 or GS15 approval, on a case by case basis. As the article notes, it is very strict (i.e. difficult to obtain such permission)

For example - take a Corporal (E-4) in an infantry unit in the Marines. Suppose he is a team leader by billet. In order to get such authorization, he would have to talk to his squad leader (E-5/Sgt), who would then ask the Plt Sgt (E-6/SSgt), who would then talk to the Plt Cmdr (O-1 or O-2/2nd or 1st Lt).

The Lt would then ask the Company Cmdr (O-3/Cpt). The Co. Comdr would then ask the Battalion Commander (O-5/LtCol), who would then go to the Regimental Commander (O-6/Col) who, by the Directive is the first person in the Corporal's chain of command with the authority to grant authorization, and that's if the Base Commander concurs that an O-6 can make that authorization.

Along the way, the Company Gunny (E-7) and/or the Company 1stSgt (E-8), Battalion SgtMaj (E-9) and likely Regimental SgtMaj would want to speak with the Corporal.

In other words, a snowflake has a better chance surviving in hell than the average service member's chance of getting the approval to carry personal arms on base.

Further proof - When I was stationed at Lejeune the Onslow County Sheriff at the time required a "Command Letter" granting the authorization for a CCW permit. NC law does not require military members to furnish a "Command Letter." The Base did not require such, nor did the tenant commands. My command asked, "What the hell are you talking about?"

The Sheriff wouldn't issue the permit without one.

It finally came to a head and the Base Commander and MEF Commander caved - and it became required (on the military side). The surrounding counties followed suit and their Sheriff's began requiring the letters too.

When I was subsequently stationed at Quantico, the Base Directives made it more difficult to transport/possess weapons on base as well.

The Directive you cite does NOTHING to enable the protection of U.S. service members on base. All it says is that the commanders may.

The policy sets the command level required to approve high enough that the average joe will never get authorization.

27 posted on 12/08/2019 11:51:31 AM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson