Utah banning ‘conversion therapy’ with Mormon church backing

Idaho State Journal ^ | 11/30/2019 | IdahoStateJournal

[Elsie]

Elsie, it is bash Mormon time.

FPROY2222; do you disagree with any of the statements below??

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Green indicates updated linklinks: October 2019

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Orson Pratt proclaimed:

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer).  

Page 273 found HERE https://www.freewebs.com/iglesiadejesucristodeltiempodelfin/Orson%20Pratt%20-%20The%20Seer%20%281854%29.pdf

More confusion:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_and_abominable_church#LDS_Church_publications

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith:

"'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119). 

Found in section 3 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 119)

 

 

"for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12).

Found here --->  https://books.google.com/books?id=PkNOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=different+sects+understood+the+same+passages&source=bl&ots=17G4-8kYsz&sig=ACfU3U0v-r6iFwZgZnOdUB1_ivzkhFiirQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjq0YqUpajlAhUGUK0KHbHxDNUQ6AEwCXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=different%20sects%20understood%20the%20same%20passages&f=false

 

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Found in section 5 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 270)

 

 

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Brigham Young stated this repeatedly:

"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses Section 5 page 73);

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  Section  8 page 171);

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses Section  8 page 199);

"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses Section 10  page 230).

"And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses Section  6 page 24);

 

 

 

 

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Orson Pratt also said:

"This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18, page 44);

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18 page 172).

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President John Taylor stated:

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , Section 6 page 167);

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , Section 10 page 127).

 

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James Talmage said:

"A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

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President Joseph Fielding Smith said:

"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266).

"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

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More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear:

"Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265);

"a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.123);

"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.250);

"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.290).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said:

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).  <-- can't find an onlink link, but there ARE a lot of hard copy books for sale tha tinclude this quote.

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated:

"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , Section 2, page 196).

[Elsie]

Indeed; Art.

Waste your time giving an ‘answer’ that will not be commented on directly.

[Elsie]

I find it disgusting how you have reduced it to a rude, crude, and lude joke.

Perhaps; but is the statement TRUE or not?

[Drew68]

o I don't know why this law is needed, unless just to send a "chilling effect" to therapists who want to assist a client experiencing unwanted same sex attraction.

"Conversion therapy" laws aren't aimed at therapists. They're aimed at parents.

People are going to be shocked when parents, trying to counsel their own sexually confused children, are accused of violating conversion therapy laws.

People need to get it out of their heads that conversion therapy is about traditional clinical therapy. It's not at all. It's about parenting.

[Artcore]

Please explain why you think there is a difference.

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I do NOT hold individual LDS members responsible for the positions of the Church Leadership...just as I don’t hold individual Catholics responsible for their heretical Pope.

Interesting that the “Prophet, Seer and Revelator”, and “The Twelve” support such an anti-BoM, and anti-Bible position!

[nonsporting]

Another Republican and another 'church' kisses Satan's ring.

Taking the mark of beast. Unless one worships sexual deviancy, he will not be able to keep a job (let alone buy or sell).

This is all fallen man's doing. God created only two sexes.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God rested his creative effort. The sick deviants that have emerged are an abomination.

[fproy2222]

“
.. cutting off your penis...
Funny you should mention this...”

Here is a the first reference in your post.
Pages 250-251, The Mormon Hierarchy, Extensions of Power by D. Michael Quinn.

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“ from the church as one of the September Six and is now openly gay.”

Me, I like to know who is making the claim and how it might slant there research and conclusions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._Michael_Quinn

You might want to balance your reading by these bios the other way.
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Question: Was Thomas Lewis castrated because he wanted to marry a young woman who was desired by an older man as a plural wife?

https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Was_Thomas_Lewis_castrated_because_he_wanted_to_marry_a_young_woman_who_was_desired_by_an_older_man_as_a_plural_wife%3F

[fproy2222]

Thank you for your hard work with the up dated references.

There are a lot of statements that are true when said that are not revealent today and there are statements that continue to be true.

Our responsibility is to know the difference.

[fproy2222]

“Perhaps; but is the statement TRUE or not?”

No, there is much in physical closeness between married couples.
The crude joke about Mormon couples is just more of satan finding help degrading familes and promoting gay marriage and teaches that intimidate same-sex relationships.

I think one thing that pisses many off is the fact tha sex between an a man and a woman who are not married to each other is as much a sin as gay coupling.

[fproy2222]

“Interesting that the “Prophet, Seer and Revelator”, and “The Twelve” support such an anti-BoM, and anti-Bible position!”

Lets see, the people of the church just keep parents, grandparents, and clergy from loosing the ability to teach that same sex attractions can be changed and you find this bad.
Why?

[fproy2222]

I just ran across this from one of our early leaders. Maybe you can relate.
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Do not, brethren, put your trust in man though he be a bishop, an apostle, or a president. If you do, they will fail you at some time or place; they will do wrong or seem to, and your support be gone;

— George Q. Cannon

[fproy2222]

More from George Q. Cannon::

When the Supreme Court upheld the ban on plural marriage in the 1879 Reynolds v. United States decision, Cannon stated:

Our crime has been: We married women instead of seducing them; we reared children instead of destroying them; we desired to exclude from the land prostitution, bastardy and infanticide. If George Reynolds [the man who was convicted of committing bigamy] is to be punished, let the world know the facts. ... Let it be published to the four corners of the earth that in this land of liberty, the most blessed and glorious upon which the sun shines, the law is swiftly invoked to punish religion, but justice goes limping and blindfolded in pursuit of crime.[6]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Q._Cannon

[dragonblustar]

One of the big problems in our country today is the reduction of value of the bonds of a man and woman growing togeather and passing on the values in life to the next generation.

Then blame the church for not tackling this issue properly.

[fproy2222]

“Then blame the church for not tackling this issue properly”

Good liberal thought.
Remove responsibility from the individual for not following the God’s teachings.

[Elsie]

You might want to balance your reading by these bios the other way.

Likewise; your might find something other toi read than LDS approved, 'faith' building materials.

[Elsie]

Our responsibility is to know the difference.

Then perhaps you could point out the difference; as your other statements are lacking in any detail at all.

[Elsie]

How about that oral sex thing?

Still taboo in SLC?

[Elsie]

When the Supreme Court upheld the ban on plural marriage...

The Mormons wimped out and no longer OBEYED the command that GOD gave them.

[Elsie]

Remove responsibility from the individual for not following the God’s teachings.

OCD #1

[Elsie]

While ocd#1 may bring up some interesting links; I really meant to type OD1