Posted on 11/28/2019 11:01:55 PM PST by TECTopcat
First of all i cannot imagine the hate that must go into the thinking that you want to "shut down Trump supporters" ... at thanksgiving-really Thanksgiving?!. And I know these numbers don't make sense with record low unemployment but I need some help deconstruct job growth numbers: Here's article:
Today hundreds of millions of Americans will sit down with close friends and family over heaping portions of turkey, stuffing and mashed potatoes. After the usual small talk about chilly weather and the day’s football matchups, discussions will inevitably shift to politics. In a country bitterly divided over the Trump presidency and his looming impeachment, heated arguments will begin. Tempers and passions are likely to flare. But they shouldn’t.
Political discussions should not be about left or right, Democrat vs. Republican. Instead, they should be about what is objectively right or wrong for the country. Thanks to the enormously corrosive effects of partisan, ratings-driven media outlets (and the dangerous echo chambers they fuel), such fact-based, ideologically neutral distinctions have largely disintegrated.
With these realities in mind, the facts are simply not on Trump’s side. A few discussion points — from the perspective of a political independent — on key topics follow:
The Economy: President Donald Trump made the economy a centerpiece of his 2016 campaign. Three years into his presidency, Trump relentlessly touts job growth under his administration. But it is important to note that 1.1 million fewer jobs were created during Trump’s first 33 months in office compared to Obama’s last 33. Trump also promised to bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States. But manufacturing is now the smallest share of the American economy in 72 years. Meanwhile, median household income, an important economic measure, has remained largely stagnant over Trump’s first three years in office. Trump administration spin aside, increases in household income trail those under Obama, which grew steadily toward the end of his administration.
Moreover, in selling a massive tax cut to the public, Trump promised “4, 5, even 6 percent” annual economic growth. With dismal growth expected this quarter, Trump will finish his first term with a high-water mark of 2.9 percent annual economic growth (in 2018) — matching Obama’s economic record. Apparently, Trump’s much-touted rollbacks of regulations protecting American workers and the environment had very little effect on economic growth. Moreover, the massive Trump tax cut, which overwhelmingly benefitted the wealthy and corporate interests, did not “pay for itself,” as Trump predicted it would. Perhaps worst of all, despite his repeated promises and assurances, Trump’s tax cut had almost no effect on the economy.
This stunning lack of growth begs the question: Why are we racking up trillions in debt (much of it bought up by China) thanks to the Trump tax cut? The only discernible effect of the Trump tax cut appears to be an explosion in wealth and income inequality. Indeed, inequality in America is now at levels not seen since Wall Street greed caused the economic crash of 1929 and the Great Depression. For his part, Trump told his ultra-wealthy friends that “You all just got a lot richer” immediately after his tax cut was passed.
But a system where three citizens own more wealth than the poorest half of the country cannot be sustainable. Indeed, with inequality fueling large-scale, brutally violent protests around the world, Americans would be wise to take heed of the pitfalls of extreme wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. And, if contemporary warnings do not suffice, the French, Russian and Cuban revolutions, among many others, serve as stark reminders of what may be to come if wealth is further concentrated in the United States.
Moreover, as a direct result of the massive Trump tax cut for the wealthy, 2018 was the first year ever that tax revenues actually declined in a relatively strong economy. This paved the way for the Trump administration to post the largest monthly deficit in U.S. history, further driving up the federal debt. While many commentators blame Obama for skyrocketing debt during his administration, they conveniently ignore that those increases — according to the U.S. Treasury — were overwhelmingly due to the long-term compounding effects of the massive George W. Bush tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy.
The (relatively small) debts accrued due to the Obama administration’s aggressive economic recovery policies helped bring unemployment down from a high of 10 percent to 4.7 percent, an impressive decline of more than 5 percentage points. It should come as no surprise that economists overwhelmingly credit Obama’s policies with bringing the U.S. economy back to life after the Great Recession — an economy which Trump now loudly claims credit for.
Lastly, stock market gains are by no means an indicator of economic well-being on Main Street. After all, Wal-Mart’s stock could skyrocket, only to leave millions of Americans stuck in painfully low-paying jobs. But despite relentlessly touting Wall Street gains, Trump significantly trails both Obama and Clinton in stock market performance at this point in their respective presidencies.
Health care: Trump (and GOP) efforts to undo the Affordable Care Act resulted in 1.1 million Americans losing health coverage in 2018. This breaks a 10-year streak of rising numbers of insured Americans.
Tragically, two-thirds of Americans filing for bankruptcy do so because they cannot afford to pay medical bills — often despite having health insurance. Perhaps worse, America is seeing an alarming increase in “deaths of despair,” particularly among the white, working-class citizens who turned out in droves to vote Trump into office. An increasing mortality rate is not the sign of a healthy economy or country; it is a hallmark of staggering wealth and income inequality.
Immigration: Deportations are far lower under the Trump administration compared to the same period during the Obama administration.
Foreign Policy: Trump should be commended for standing up to China’s unfair trade and economic espionage practices. But despite branding himself the ultimate “dealmaker,” Trump’s deal-making abilities on the international stage have proven abysmal. North Korea’s brutal dictator, for one, played Trump like a fiddle. By exploiting Trump’s weakness for pageantry and flashy photo opportunities, Kim Jong Un hoodwinked an oblivious Trump into gaining international legitimacy for his murderous regime.
In Iran, Trump’s disastrous (and utterly failed) “maximum pressure” campaign displays a stunning misunderstanding of Iranian history and strategic priorities. Indeed, Trump’s unilateral withdrawal from the landmark 2015 nuclear deal — negotiated alongside America’s closest allies and supported by key figures in the U.S. and Israeli security establishments — represents a tremendous blunder that is emboldening the worst, most conservative, anti-American factions in Iran. Trump’s withdrawal from the agreement also gives cover for Iran to inch ever-closer to obtaining a nuclear bomb.
It should come as no wonder that America is the laughingstock of the world. With Trump siding with authoritarians and dictators around the world, American credibility and popularity on the international stage has plummeted to historic lows.
Impeachment: Democrats claim that Trump improperly (and illegally) withheld crucial security assistance to a close American ally at war for personal gain. A litany of (decidedly unimpeachable) patriots delivered a series of devastating blows to Trump’s defense. Even Fox News anchors and analysts have slammed Trump’s actions as “impeachable.” At the end of the day, only one question matters: Why was the security assistance to Ukraine stopped? The answer is painfully obvious.
“Identity” Politics: Trump has railed against political correctness. But Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) and Andrew Yang have all spoken out against the corrosive effects of “identity” politics and political correctness run amok. Perhaps most importantly, President Obama’s forceful rejections of “woke” culture and ideological purity should be a wakeup call for the left. Continuing to push such divisive narratives will further alienate the crucial voters in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin who decide American presidential elections.
Ted Kennedy?
Bill Clinton?
Comeon, now, that sword cuts both ways...
True that. My five children and my wife (their mother) talked about sports and school, and boyfriends and girlfriends, college and future plans, and a whole lot of jokes at each others expense.
But politics never came up. Never needed to come up, because we were talking about our family, as a family, and how God has blessed us.
Why can I not see the comments? They never load!
Or just do what I do at my Thanksgiving table: ban all political talk.
I don’t tolerate it. There is so much more in the world to talk about than politics.
Amen!
Hussein said loosing your job allowed you more time to spend with the family. As foreclosures increased, that having multiple generations moving into one house allowed people to live like the Waltons.
*Losing...
Only one non Trump fan family member around here, large degree, larger education loan debt, and small income. Even though she is as old as the Golden Gate Bridge, she still gets her mom to do her laundry. She was a big fan of the Kenyan faker.
Yet another anti-Trump post poorly disguised as intelligent comment.
Mine was like a Trump rally too, because it wasn’t “family.” It was family: All attending had red-white-and-blue blood flowing in their veins and we talked politics throughout and had a great time.
Not to mention the BLS is a key Deep State swamp creature that lies for Obama and lies against Trump.
With Obama, bad news numbers were reported lower and then later “revised” up when no one was looking.
With Trump good news numbers the numbers are lowered then “revised” up when no one is looking.
The left appears to be on a campaign to abolish the holiday known as “Thanksgiving”.
We have myriad articles describing how we are lied to about the origins of the holiday and why we should be ashamed to even thing about celebrating such an evil act.
Then, since the Obama era, they have been suggesting starting political arguments at the dinner table, (while denouncing them at the same time) designed to make everybody dread the occasion.
The goal is to make the overall experience so unpleasant we just throw up our hands and quit.
I generally host Thanksgiving at my house and did so this year. I’m openly conservative and conservative Christian. My family runs the gamut from conservative to liberal.
The only relatives that can’t have a civil conversation on politics are not invited. The aunt and cousins who screamed at me in my own home in front of my kids about my political and religious views (because my faith informs my voting, so I can’t in conscience vote Democrat) hasn’t been here in around eight years.
My moderately liberal atheist brother who can politely debate tax and immigration policy will see MAGA straws at Christmas as a gag gift. He doesn’t like Trump, but he isn’t addicted to the hatred of orange man bad. And he hates identity politics, because as a white guy, he knows it has cost him job opportunities.
Clinton’s team did a great job of framing Trump as a dangerous and unstable Hitler-in-the-making. As I noted before, that provided moral cover for her supporters to threaten and physically assault Trump supporters in public.
Adams, Scott. Win Bigly: Persuasion in a World Where Facts Don’t Matter (p. 231).
This is the evil of “the personal is political”. They feel morally obligated to inject their politics into science fiction conventions, religious events and family gatherings. You aren’t allowed to have neutral public places.
It is like Islam. That every symbol and opinion contrary to the totalitarian ideology must be attacked and torn down for the sake of ideological purity and their opinion of the public good. And true members of the faith are ordered to bring it up all the time.
Race War?
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